FROGSMILE Posted 22 May , 2022 Share Posted 22 May , 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Ron Clifton said: As I read it, he would have lost his rank by being cashiered, and hence would be imprisoned as a civilian. Ron Thanks Ron, and yet these people were still referred to by their rank for some odd reason (perhaps then erroneously). Have you seen anywhere a precise explanation of the meaning and consequences of being Cashiered? i.e. What in totality it incorporated. Edited 22 May , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 23 May , 2022 Share Posted 23 May , 2022 18 hours ago, Ron Clifton said: As I read it, he would have lost his rank by being cashiered, and hence would be imprisoned as a civilian. Ron Ron as so often I’ve found the answer in an old thread here to which you had contributed. It’s not one that I’d seen before so I think I must have been away at the time. Anyway, here it is: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancesH Posted 31 May , 2022 Author Share Posted 31 May , 2022 Just checking though I think I know the answer -- if an officer was cashiered he literally lost his rank, and therefore should not be appearing in civilian life describing himself as 'Captain' or whatever?? And yes, I have such a case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 31 May , 2022 Share Posted 31 May , 2022 3 hours ago, FrancesH said: Just checking though I think I know the answer -- if an officer was cashiered he literally lost his rank, and therefore should not be appearing in civilian life describing himself as 'Captain' or whatever?? And yes, I have such a case! That seems to be the case Frances, yes. The old thread that I linked in just above has some good information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancesH Posted 5 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 5 June , 2022 Hi Frogsmile, since then I have TWO other cases where gentlemen in trouble with civil courts appear there as 'captain'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 5 June , 2022 Share Posted 5 June , 2022 Hello Frances Officers could only be sentenced to be cashiered by order of a military court-martial, so unless they had already been court-martialled for a military offence, if they appeared in front of a civil court charged with a non-military offence, they would still use their existing rank of captain or whatever. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 5 June , 2022 Share Posted 5 June , 2022 (edited) It can be confusing Frances, because any civil offence committed whilst still in the armed services, is automatically also a military offence (for which an officer might be cashiered and as we’ve learned lose his rank). If however, he commits the offence after leaving the armed services, then he appears in court under his retired rank, and the civil penalty cannot remove that rank (as explained by Ron). I think that’s what I’d mixed up earlier in the thread. It explains how the movie characters like that played by David Niven might be an ex-convict, but still using the military rank to which he remained entitled. It meant that he’d been prosecuted after leaving the Army. Edited 5 June , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancesH Posted 1 July , 2022 Author Share Posted 1 July , 2022 Thank you both! However, the two cases I have found concern officers who were court martialled and therefore lost their rank as a result of being cashiered (am I right so far?) So therefore when they appeared in court for unrelated civil offences, they should not have done so as 'Captain' So and So? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 1 July , 2022 Share Posted 1 July , 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, FrancesH said: Thank you both! However, the two cases I have found concern officers who were court martialled and therefore lost their rank as a result of being cashiered (am I right so far?) So therefore when they appeared in court for unrelated civil offences, they should not have done so as 'Captain' So and So? I believe that would be a correct conclusion based upon what we’ve clarified in this thread, yes. I suppose it would be correct to say “former captain”, and I imagine that any lawyer worth his salt would point out the military service if he thought it advantageous for his client. Edited 1 July , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrancesH Posted 5 July , 2022 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2022 Ha ha, yes! however, in both these cases it's clear that the men concerned were referred to, and therefore presenting themselves socially, by a military title to which they no longer had a claim. Of course all my subjects went to some trouble to conceal the fact that they had faced a court martial. Some evidently thought they could get away with reverting to their lost rank ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 9 July , 2022 Share Posted 9 July , 2022 Mates, Of cause one - nil so far in the Rugby, we'll see what happens tonight, the way England are playing it should be one - one and then the decieder. Can't wait for the kiwis later this year. Of cause in the other strange game you play, we made the World cup Stay Safe. S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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