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SMLE With Custom Paint


NathanStrinpanzer
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Picked up this discomissioned SMLE yesterday for $200. I have no idea if the paint is original to the gun or if it was added later. (Later as in post war)

One side of the stock is marked "F" and other is marked "13" and "1768" the action of the gun is stamped 65863. The ring behind the trigger gaurd is dated 1917. 

Anyone have any insight or thoughts? Is the paint authentic or added later? What does F 13 reference? Or the 1768?20220306_204830.jpg.1b93e86a4cc328b873df53c68ba0083a.jpg

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That is Indian Drill Purpose markings indicating not safe to fire.

MANY HAVE  HOLES DRILLED THROUGH THE CHAMBER.

Also found on pattern 1914 rifles that saw Indian Service.

I have several of these.

The paint is “original” to their last service use.

Chris

ps what are the full markings on the wrist of the rifle?

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9 hours ago, 4thGordons said:

That is Indian Drill Purpose markings indicating not safe to fire.

MANY HAVE  HOLES DRILLED THROUGH THE CHAMBER.

Also found on pattern 1914 rifles that saw Indian Service.

I have several of these.

The paint is “original” to their last service use.

Chris

ps what are the full markings on the wrist of the rifle?

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Thanks - that's good to see.

So it is likely this is an example of a rifle that had a sixty or seventy year service life - produced at the height of the Great War in Birmingham and ending its days as a drill rifle in India, before being sold off.

Is there anything stamped on the opposite side of the wrist below the safety? Perhaps FR and a number?

The wood on this rifle is later WWII or later vintage and is not original to the rifle (see the No4 rifle style metal strap at the rear of the fore-end visible on your photo of the wrist above, this probably indicates factory reworking in India. If you look under the rear (smaller) handguard you will find a lot of stamping which may show if the rifle's barrel has been replaced,

Chris

 

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For comparison here are some other DP paint markings - Indian, Australian and UK (post WWII)

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Indian DP No1 MkIII* like yours (chamber drilled Red White Red)

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Indian DP No3 MkI* (Chamber drilled Red White Red)

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Indian DP No1 MkIII* (DP but not drilled, UK also used white bands to indicate DP)

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Australian DP rifle marked but not modified (Yellow = DP)

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Australian DP rifle further downgraded (red band) Australia also used green bands to indicate Cadet rifles.

DP-No4.jpg.fe7ff1d7b4b9788bbe3826a7111a5390.jpgBritish DP marks (white band) this is a purpose built Drill rifle (L59A1 with big chunks machined out of the receiver and barrel - opposite side)

 

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