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Looking at a gent called 

James Stephen Austin Howard

Pte 92962

2/4 London Reg

 

Previous KRRC  60999

 

died on the 10th Sept 1918 presumed on solider's effects)

i have found him on MIc, Medals issued, Pension ledgers but cannot for the life of me find him on CWGC site. 

 

Can anybody assist with the CWGC record please and what does the sentence mean on his medal issued card?

ancesty.co.uk 

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Death presumed 

Doh

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7 hours ago, Dazscuba said:

Looking at a gent called 

James Stephen Austin Howard

Pte 92962

2/4 London Reg

 

Previous KRRC  60999

 

died on the 10th Sept 1918 presumed on solider's effects)

i have found him on MIc, Medals issued, Pension ledgers but cannot for the life of me find him on CWGC site. 

 

Can anybody assist with the CWGC record please and what does the sentence mean on his medal issued card?

ancesty.co.uk 

E3A1ECF8-F334-4F0B-923E-D8232418A0E7.jpeg

Death presumed 

Doh

Do you anything else to help in the search.  
 

if this is the same one on face book last night.  The OP has ignored my suggestion that they’re is a James Howard who is in the 1939 Register on Ancestry who was born on the 27th December 1899 married to Alice who was born on 28th May 1907 and they have a son John was born 20th March 1926 

 

the same birth date as given on Facebook 

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Why do you think he died ?

D/P could be discharged to pension ??

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This tree on Ancestry indicates that John [born 1926] Howard's parents were Arthur James Howard and Alice Ivy Scott. It states that Arthur James Howard's parents were John Howard and Jane Dulieu {died 1930}. Penion records show that J.S.A. Howard's mother was Mary {probably died 1929}, and father was John Thomas.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/66932716/person/202236048418/facts

It would seem that James Howard in the 1939 Register is not James Stephen Austin Howard.

Regards,

Alf McM

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His effects register and one of his pension ledgers below.

 

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Hi i have more info now and that his mother was Mary and father was John. 
the lived at 3a Banks Yard, Tooting

Records of death are below

i have a number of Pension Ledgers stating date of death 10/09/1918 and the pension was awarded to his mother from 19/06/1919.

also his soldiers effects on Ancestry show that his father received his money due and this also states states death 10/09/1918
medals issued card states DP 10/00/1918 which is death presumed due to still being missing or as Coldstreamer states discharged to pension??.

 

his full name on Fold 3 is James Stephen Austin Howard

chesterboy yes the chap on social media 

 

thanks again for the the replies 
 

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margaretnolan
thank you for that not sure if I could add them on here fully. 

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War Diary of 2/4th for 10 September 1918: 5 ORs killed, 19 wounded, 3 missing - I cannot find any of the 5 ORs killed on CWGC?

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He has a will with .gov, same date of death but number 192962.

TEW

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Thanks Ivor it’s a mystery at moment 

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This may explain the confusion - 2/4th absorbed into the 2/2nd Bn. on the 12th Sept. - 2 days later:

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19 hours ago, Dazscuba said:

 

Can anybody assist with the CWGC record please and what does the sentence mean on his medal issued card?

I would read D/P as Death Presumed.  Discharged to pension wouldn't be the case where he died.

Craig

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Amalgamation order dated 10 Sept. 1918 - post that day's action?

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2 hours ago, Dazscuba said:

I suspect .gov have incorrectly added the 1. Not sure how the will would help anyway except as another record of his death. Wills were normally returned to survivors.

TEW

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Curiosity got the better of me and for the sake of 1.50, his Will below.

 

 

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Thanks everybody for all your help and assistance so far. Think I may have to email CWGC and will let you know what they say

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4 hours ago, Margaretnolan said:

Curiosity got the better of me and for the sake of 1.50, his Will below.

Margaret Nolan where do you get these from please? 

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I wonder if the 17 month timeframe before the will was officiated indictates a hope that he was one of the missing that day and had become a POW.

The D/P date might not have been decided on until much later.

No reason for non-commemoration though.

Hope CWGC get back to you on this.

TEW

 

 

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