Clarkie Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 Edmund married my maternal grandmother in 1958. While I was in ancestry, I found this pension card. There is an address on the card, 9 Woodside Crescent in Perth which matches where they lived. I noticed he was in the Royal Marine Light Infantry, couldn’t really find anything else. Can I ask how I would find out more about his service and why he received a pension. He lived until 1992. Thank You Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 There is another card under #17187…seems like the same man. It says flat feet after 5 years service! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 Silver war badge as well within Ancestry. Sorry on iPad and not to grips with copying urls yet! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkie Posted 4 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 March , 2022 Thank You. Yes i saw he had signed on 1914, missed the flat feet though. Would he have qualified for a pension for that. Seems odd that he wasn't discharged until 1919. Having said that, you have the right guy. How would i find out where he served. I did get a record of his service but it wasn't readable. Thank You again Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 Where is the record from please? Can you post a URL if it is online? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 (edited) He spent most of the war in two ships: HMS KING GEORGE V and HMS AMPHITRITE. Between sea drafts he was at HQ RMLI Portsmouth Division at Forton Barracks, Gosport. Not a good conduct record: he spent several periods in cells or detention (crimes not recorded in this record). There is another set of papers for him at Kew - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14595293 Edited 4 March , 2022 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizmeRD Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 Alan, Why would it be odd for him to have been discharged in 1919? (Most servicemen were demobbed during that year). Also, his service record indicates that he spent most of the time serving on the battleship KING GEORGE V, which participated at Battle of Jutland, but was also at anchor in Scapa Flow for quite a lot of the time. MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 He has another card under 17189 George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 Note his previous service in the Worcs Regiment 1913-14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 Can't find any trace of it in Ancestry/FMP though George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 (edited) Hi Clarkie, Apologies if this is your tree, but a bit more family history. The family were living at 98 "Flag" Meadow on the 1911 census. Transcribed as "Edmma John Forsyth" on Ancestry. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/pt/PersonMatch.aspx?tid=80335791&pid=232282060393&src=m Regards Barry Edited 4 March , 2022 by The Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, George Rayner said: He has another card under 17189 George Hi George, Service number on here.....https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/1228768:1687?_phsrc=qWZ4240&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=edmund+john+patrick&gsln=forsyth&ml_rpos=1&queryId=edc91a901b9b2e962be7db3e4873fb5d is 17187. Silver War Badge to 17187 (Badge Number 4219/6...here https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/2195902:1687?_phsrc=qWZ4242&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=edmund+john+patrick&gsln=forsyth&ml_rpos=3&queryId=edc91a901b9b2e962be7db3e4873fb5d and here... https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/2295154:1687?_phsrc=qWZ4243&_phstart=successSource&gsfn=edmund+john+patrick&gsln=forsyth&ml_rpos=4&queryId=edc91a901b9b2e962be7db3e4873fb5d Regards Barry Edited 4 March , 2022 by The Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 And 17189 is the same man but with a transcription error George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkie Posted 4 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 March , 2022 7 hours ago, KizmeRD said: Alan, Why would it be odd for him to have been discharged in 1919? (Most servicemen were demobbed during that year). Also, his service record indicates that he spent most of the time serving on the battleship KING GEORGE V, which participated at Battle of Jutland, but was also at anchor in Scapa Flow for quite a lot of the time. MB Was the invalided out thing .. if he had flat feet why not let him out earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Clarkie said: if he had flat feet why not let him out earlier Depends at what stage his flat foot/feet became a problem and that would, presumably, depend on the underlying cause. GWF MO help needed here. He was on a 12-year engagement which could have run to 1926. Edited 4 March , 2022 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkie Posted 4 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 4 March , 2022 Ah now, I didn’t realize he signed on for 12 years, I suppose the flat feet thing could have been progressive over time. To everybody who is contributing, Edmunds story, the ships he served in and where he served is fascinating. This is a guy who later in life ran a newsagents in Perth and married my granny when he was 63 or 64. He certainly lived a full life. Be interesting to find out why he also did detention .. I guess those records aren’t so readily available. Thank you so much for adding such a rich history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aim Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 Edmund John Patrick FORSYTH (RMLI 17187), born 9/2/1896 in St. Mary, Worcester. Tin Worker when enlisted in Birmingham. Recruit Depot, Deal 25/2/14 - 23/9/14 Portsmouth Division 24/9/14 - 23/12/14 HMS King George V 24/12/14 - 3/5/18 Portsmouth Division 4/5/18 - 29/5/18 HMS Amphitrite 30/5/18 - 3/3/19 Portsmouth Division 4/3/19 - 14/8/19 Discharged Invalided Address on discharge 98 Flagge Meadows,Worcester I always find it confusing when later records of a long-serving man are added to the bottom of another man's page. In this case it was Robert John Leddie (mistake for Robert John Leddlie, RMLI 17185, who is on two other pages). This R.J. Leddlie I believe was born in1899 and died in 1975. In 1924 he married Kathleen L.H. Coombes in Alverstoke, Hampshire. I have not looked up his SWB badge record or his Army record, but Edmund Forsyth I believe married Elizabeth Beardsall in Manchester N. in 1926 and/or Dorothy Lees in Manchester in 1948. He probably died in Stockport in 1938. aim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 26 minutes ago, Clarkie said: Be interesting to find out why he also did detention The papaers held at Kew under ADM 157 may (if they have not been badly weeded) include his Company Conduct Sheets, which list all his misdemeanours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 3 hours ago, aim said: I believe married Elizabeth Beardsall in Manchester N. in 1926 and/or Dorothy Lees in Manchester in 1948. He probably died in Stockport in 1938 Polite question, but if he married Dorothy in 1948, where did he come from to marry her after dying in Stockport in 1938? sJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, Clarkie said: This is a guy who later in life ran a newsagents in Perth and married my granny when he was 63 or 64. He certainly lived a full life. So, this man who (according to @aim) "probably died in Stockport in 1938" was marrying again in about 1960 according to his grandson @Clarkie Edited 4 March , 2022 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aim Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 48 minutes ago, seaJane said: Polite question, but if he married Dorothy in 1948, where did he come from to marry her after dying in Stockport in 1938? sJ Sorry, I totally missed that. I have reread the OP and seen that Edmund married in 1958 and died in 1992. I totally forgot to check the Scottish records (apologies to all, I haven't been well recently), but I can now say that Edmund married Mary Ronaldson Coventry (in Arngask, Perth, in 1920) and/or Mary Ann Armstrong (in Perth in 1958). Hope this helps (and sorry again for confusing people). aim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 4 March , 2022 Share Posted 4 March , 2022 2 hours ago, aim said: Hope this helps Yes thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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