Casualty Lists - an index

[TEW]

#221

This is actually a link at the top of page 14 that connects to another post with a cropped list. The list number has been cropped off. Just found another copy that gives list number as 4632.

Original upload - https://gwfattachments.s3.amazonaws.com/monthly_12_2010/post-5306-048536200 1291208222.jpg

Uncropped version

TEW

 

[David26]

With many thanks to all of the forum members who are adding to the Casualty Lists on the Casualty Lists thread, please find here a new version of the index with all of the additional lists which have been published on that thread since 21 May.  There are now 5410 entries on the index.

This version includes three lists where I have corrected the number due to earlier typos:

List number

1060      Corrected list number (from HA.32193 to HA.32913)

1061      Corrected list number (from HA.32198 to HA.32918)

2950      Corrected list number (from P.41475 to P.41476)

and three lists were removed from the index due to being duplicates:

2870      (a duplicate of 615)

2940      (a duplicate of 523), and

3417      (a duplicate of 2872).

David.

 

 

 

Casualty Lists as at 2022 07 12.csv

Edited 14 July , 2022 by David26
Correction

[David26]

Again, with very many thanks to all of the forum members who are adding to the Casualty Lists on the Casualty Lists thread, here is August 2022's version of the index.  We have had 554 new lists published since the last version was published on 12 July, so as of today, there are  5964 entries in the August 2022 index.

In compiling this, I have made a few number of changes again to information that was previously published:

    ID Nr.     Change Made

3027		Corrected list number (from P.170683 to P.170685)
3127		Corrected list number (from HA.27540 to HA 27350)
3285		Corrected list number (from H.8738 to H.8788)
3287		Corrected list number (from HA.5063 to HA.5053)
3339		Deleted - duplicate of 1684
3400		Corrected list number (from H.4541 to H.4641)
3608.1		Added new entry for M.16921
3608.2		Added new entry for M.16922

Casualty Lists as at 2022 08 22.csv

David.

[brianmorris547]

David.

Thanks for your hard work.

Brian.

[charlie962]

Not contributing but am following. Thank you.

[David26]

Thank you both.  

[David26]

Here is v.6 (September 2022) of the Casualty List Index.  Since the one published last month, there are a further 639 lists have been uploaded to the Casualty Lists thread, bringing the index to a total of 6603 entries.  

Again, there are a few corrections I have made since publishing the August index:

    ID Nr.     Change Made

 

3664		Corrected list number (from H.2428 to H.2848)
5355		Corrected list number (from 20694 to 20964)
4066		Corrected list number (from HA.3251 to HA.3521)

David.

Casualty Lists as at 2022 09 26.csv

 

[Bardess]

Thank you, David

[brianmorris547]

David

Thank you

Brian

[David26]

It has been almost 3 months since I last posted an updated index of casualty lists which have been uploaded to the Casualty Lists thread, so apologies for that, but here now is v.7 (December 2022).  There are 7275 entries on the index, an increase since the September version of 672 entries.

Again, there are a few corrections I have made since publishing the September version, which includes finding ten lists which I had somehow previously overlooked:

    ID Nr.     Change Made

 

4101.01		Added new entry
4101.02		Added new entry
4101.03		Added new entry
4101.04		Added new entry
4101.05		Added new entry
4101.06		Added new entry
4101.07		Added new entry
4101.08		Added new entry
4101.09		Added new entry
4101.10		Added new entry
4178		Corrected list number (from M.11010 to M.11020)
4422		Deleted - duplicate of 2880
4431		Corrected list number (from HA.23418 to HA.23412)
4490.1		Added new entry
4490.2		Added new entry
4490.3		Added new entry
4512		Amended list number (from IN.3898 to IN.3899)
4549		Corrected list number (from C/899 to C/896)   Casualty Lists as at 2022 12 05.csv

[brianmorris547]

Thanks David

 

[David26]

Four weeks after the last index was published, here is a new version which now has 7747 entries on it.  There have been no corrections made since the last version. 

Wishing everyone on the Forum a very Happy New Year,

David.

Casualty Lists as at 2023 01 01.csv

[David26]

Casualty Lists as at 2023 02 12.csv

 

Here is the February 2023 version of the index.  There are now 8569 entries on it.

I have made a few amendments to it since the last version: 

       ID nr     Change made

4782		Amended date to 1915 03 23
4783		Amended date to 1915 03 23
6579		Amended list number (from 24279 to 24297)
4852.1		Added new entry (to be consistent with other amendments lists)
5234.1		Added new entry (to be consistent with other amendments lists)
4854		Deleted. Duplicate of 5234.
4855		Deleted. Duplicate of 5234.1.

David.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 12 February , 2023 by David26
Adding attachment

[brianmorris547]

Thanks David.

Brian

[David26]

Here is the March 2023 version of the index.  There are now 8952 entries on it.  

Three entries have been amended since the last version:

       ID nr     Change made

484		Deleted. It was a duplicate of 577.
4947		Amended list number (from H.D.4689 to H.D.4679)
5044		Amended list number (from H.D.10698 to H.D.10658)

David.

 

Casualty Lists as at 2023 03 12.csv

[TEW]

Not sure why but my version runs to 8969 entries. I'll investigate and report back.

Incidently, #7148 Is Waterloo era!!

TEW

[David26]

4 hours ago, TEW said:

 

Incidently, #7148 Is Waterloo era!!

Thank you TEW! 

[TEW]

David, I've checked through my version as I made some edits along the way which explains why mine has some additional entries. That's not to suggest these are errors.

However, in working though things yesterday I think there is a duplicated list. You may want to check through the following rather than just accept what I'm saying.

Entries 5079-5084 are from one image on page 66 with multiple lists, but it doesn't seem complete to me. I've added 3 extra rows as 5084.1 etc.

Then I've seen that the same image appears on page 89 but now with the full compliment of lists, entries 8317-8325.

I'll attach the image on pages 66 & 89 just for reference.

I think the dates are very odd on this list, it seems to be headed May 16th 1915 but references lists from April - 15th June 1915. I've wondered if it should be headed June 16th 1915. 

 

Extracts from the spreadsheet for the above.

 

I think the easiest option would be to delete the rows for 5079-5084? NB. #5082 describes C494 but #8320 describes C949, I know this typo is mentioned in the comments but I think #8320 would be better as 494?

Depending on any response my intention would be to delete 5079-5084.3 on my version.

Given the current events on the main topic I'm wondering how many further updates to the spreadsheet were intended?

TEW

[TEW]

Another image where I've added extra rows. It is a complicated list and again I've attached it for reference.

Not suggesting there's an error as such just explains why my version has extra rows. I wondered if the 16th Sept is correct but the 115 lists are the RFA/RHA's way of keeping a tally of corrections to the original lists.

The spreadsheet has it as:

I added 5377.1 - 5377.5 to cover the 115/246, 247, 248, 249 & 250 sub lists.

TEW

[TEW]

Lastly,

Page 69.

#5317 is undated at present. I found WO363 files for Pook & Steele that show they were wounded 20th Sept 1914.

TEW

 

[David26]

Hi TEW,

Thank you so much for those three very helpful comments. 

Regarding 5079-5084: I agree that there are a number of duplicates in the index which is not helpful.  One of the projects I set myself shortly after publishing the last version of the index was to go through more thoroughly trying to find these and deleting them, as well as trying to be more consistent about the comments.  So far I have found 51 duplicated lists and these do include 5079-5084 which, as you say, are duplicated later on where I did a better job of indexing all of the lists the sheet contained.  The next version of the index will therefore not include 5079-5084 and the entries for 8317-8325 now have the following comments: 

How does that look to you?  Are there further improvements we could make?

 

Regarding 5377, I agree that this could be broken out.  I don't think I did so originally because there were no WO Casualty List numbers to show definitively that the separate sections (each with the RHA/RFA Records Office 115/ file reference) come from different casualty lists but that does lok to me as being very likely to be the case, so I would be very happy to break these out into separate entries if that is helpful? 

 

And regarding 5317: thank for that extra information.  My suggestion would be to add that as a comment if that sounds good to you?

 

Finally in terms of the index, there will be at least a couple of additional versions; firstly, I want to complete the quality control project I have been doing and publish a better version of the index based on the lists published on the now locked thread, so your very helpful comments will go to further improving that.  But also, as you know, we know of the existence of a few thousand lists on a variety of sites which were not published on the locked thread.  We are working on adding those to the index with some brief signposting as to on which site they may be found in case that information, and a more complete index, are useful to forum members.

David.

[TEW]

David,

All looks good to me and I'm only putting forward suggested edits. Far be it for me to start interfering!

Wasn't aware of the duplicate situation although I do spot some occasionally. There's also the rarer situation where what appears to be a duplicate is a better copy.

Quite a few of the 'lists' on pages 1-10 are transcriptions, I've managed to source the original images for some of those transcriptions. Others elude me as I assume they come from the non-searchable Ancestry set. I've also managed to track down better versions of some of the early images as they were so low resolution. There remain some that are almost illegible.

I've slowly been working through my set of images which means straightening, cropping, resizing, converting to greyscale and re-naming each image. The plan was to arrange them chronologically by theatre. It's a slow process and with the upload frequency I'm always dropping behind.

Incidentally, when a greyscale image is uploaded the Amazon attachment thing converts it to 24 bit colour and changes the file name from EG. HA3977_2.jpg to HA3977_2.jpg.7bf17b2873bfb80cd7af6840f2255ee0.jpg. I think it's very odd to have two file extensions in a filename, The image file sizes are unnecessarily large (being 24 Bit Colour) and the gobbledegook file names can run to quite a length.

TEW

 

[brianmorris547]

David

I found my long lost 1916 RE index of Other Ranks Names recently and I have been going through Dink's Newfoundland Casualty Lists to see if there are any 1916 RE Lists so that I can include the names on my index. I think it is worth noting on your index that the three parts of HA 3839 (that I posted on p 41 and referred to on p 51 - not Newfoundland lists) have only been partially indexed by FMP. The page with the RE names on are still not indexed on FMP.

Brian

[David26]

Brian,

Thank you, that is interesting.  I know Ancestry much better than FMP and find their indexing pretty sketchy sometimes, but given that these companies are having to deal with records in a large variety of formats, some handwritten and many badly damaged, I guess that I shouldn't really be overly surprised.  

David.

[David26]

All,

here is the latest version of the index.  

As you will have seen from @dink999's post on the Casualty Lists thread the index now includes 2,145 new lists which are on the ICRC site (https://grandeguerre.icrc.org) but which have not been posted onto this forum.  These are in addition to the new posts made by forum members since the thread was unlocked so there are now 11,172 entries on the index.

In addition, there have been quite a few changes made to the index since the last version I posted in March.  Most of these come from some housekeeping I have been doing which has included some improvements to some of the comments (making them more standardised and also adding in additional comments) but it has also resulted in a large number of duplicated images being identified, so as a result I have made the following changes:

 ID nr     Change made

173        Deleted.  Duplicate of 4594.
196        Deleted.  Duplicate of 4619.
917        Deleted.  Duplicate of 900.
919        Deleted.  Duplicate of 901.
2733        Deleted.  Duplicate of 2728.
3134        Deleted.  Duplicate of 3127.
4835        Deleted.  Duplicate of 150.
4840        Deleted.  Duplicate of 4554.
5079        Deleted.  Duplicate of 8317.
5080        Deleted.  Duplicate of 8318.
5081        Deleted.  Duplicate of 8319.
5082        Deleted.  Duplicate of 8320.
5083        Deleted.  Duplicate of 8321.
5084        Deleted.  Duplicate of 8322.
5261        Deleted.  Duplicate of 4647.
5262        Deleted.  Duplicate of 4648.
5263        Deleted.  Duplicate of 4649
5264        Deleted.  Duplicate of 4650.
5318        Deleted.  Duplicate of 4686.
5538        Deleted.  Duplicate of 5332.
5696        Deleted.  Duplicate of 5291.
5817        Deleted.  Duplicate of 5509.
6027        Deleted.  Duplicate of 4540.
6028        Deleted.  Duplicate of 4541.
6029        Deleted.  Duplicate of 4542.
6030        Deleted.  Duplicate of 4543.
6209        Deleted.  Duplicate of 708.
6309        Deleted.  Duplicate of 5987.
6675        Deleted.  Duplicate of 6669.
6697        Deleted.  Duplicate of 6678.
6702        Deleted.  Duplicate of 4629.
6966        Deleted.  Duplicate of 5218.
7046        Deleted.  Duplicate of 6651.
7047        Deleted.  Duplicate of 6652.
7048        Deleted.  Duplicate of 6647.
7049        Deleted.  Duplicate of 6648.
7050        Deleted.  Duplicate of 6649.
7051        Deleted.  Duplicate of 6650.
7065        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7558.
7145        Deleted.  Duplicate of 6660.
7148        Corrected date (from 1815 to 1915)
7271        Deleted.  Duplicate of 5447.
7286        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7147.
7304        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7075.
7305        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7216.
7524        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7462.
7646        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7594.
7647        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7595.
7648        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7596.
7649        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7597.
7650        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7598.
7676        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7490.
7682        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7479.
7683        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7480.
7684        Deleted.  Duplicate of 7481.
8330        Deleted.  Duplicate of 8085.
8522        Deleted.  Duplicate of 6785.
8567        Deleted.  Duplicate of 8407.
8568        Deleted.  Duplicate of 3629.
8666        Deleted.  Duplicate of 8671.
8757        Deleted.  Duplicate of 497.
8778        Deleted.  Duplicate of 5482.
8895        Deleted.  Duplicate of 8768.
8935        Deleted.  Duplicate of 8756.

Casualty Lists as at 2023 05 22.csv

David.

 

Edited 22 May , 2023 by David26
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