Two British Soldiers (Need Assistance)

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17 minutes ago, Swinesheadvillage said:

Hi

Could this be Jack (John S)

S/n 242262 Royal West Kent's. SWB:-

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2456&h=252231&tid=&pid=&queryId=15e74b319f8adc0da2ce62731ebc2a36&usePUB=true&_phsrc=ewA1274&_phstart=successSource&_gl=1*8wvliw*_ga*OTIxNzAzNDM4LjE2NDAxNzcyMjI.*_ga_4PXYE4RLH1*MTY0NTE4MDAzMi41NS4xLjE2NDUxODAzMTAuMA..

Pension snippet on ancestry shows:-

Name:	John Saunders Wood
Gender:	Male
Rank:	Pte
Record Type:	Disability
Birth Date:	1898
Residence Place:	Redowth Civl
Military Service Region:	South West, South West
Military Country:	England
Discharge Date:	17 Apr 1918
Service Number:	242262
Corps, Regiment or Unit:	R W
Service Branch:	Military (Army)
Title:	WWI Pension Record Cards and Ledgers
Description:	Pension Record Ledger
Reference Number:	8/MW/6285
Next of Kin:	Name Relation to Soldier John Saunders Wood

 

Age equates to the John Saunders Wood on the 1911 Census

Trust this helps and is not a rabbit hole

Kind Regards

Derek

That must be him! Thank you so much! Queens Own Royal West Kent Regiment is the one he was attached to? Anything on Battalion assignment? 

Edited 18 February , 2022 by pmboxing

[Swinesheadvillage]

Hi

 

If this is him, this casualty report bears out the family lore. Note the medical report suggests less than one completed month of field service. Courtesy of FMP:-

Again, hope this helps

Kind Regards

Derek

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6 minutes ago, Swinesheadvillage said:

Hi

 

If this is him, this casualty report bears out the family lore. Note the medical report suggests less than one completed month of field service. Courtesy of FMP:-

Again, hope this helps

Kind Regards

Derek

Wow! Must have lost his leg very quickly! If I’m seeing this correct, is the injury described as leg and hand? My sight is terrible! 
 
Is there a listed date associated with the paper/injury? 

Edited 18 February , 2022 by pmboxing

[Michelle Young]

Snag trench shown, image courtesy of Linesman.

[Swinesheadvillage]

Hi

In my opinion (through thick glasses) I think it reads No Leg L (Left) 'and' Hand. The medal rolls have JS Wood serving with the 1st RWK TF, how that computes I don't know. 

This JS Wood married Gwendoline Richens in July 1928. Was born 26th May 1898. Does that ring a bell?

Kind Regards

Derek

[Michelle Young]

11 minutes ago, pmboxing said:

Wow! Must have lost his leg very quickly! If I’m seeing this correct, is the injury described as leg and hand? My sight is terrible! 
 
Is there a listed date associated with the paper/injury? 

SW Leg L Hand 

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3 minutes ago, Swinesheadvillage said:

Hi

In my opinion (through thick glasses) I think it reads No Leg L (Left) 'and' Hand. The medal rolls have JS Wood serving with the 1st RWK TF, how that computes I don't know. 

This JS Wood married Gwendoline Richens in July 1928. Was born 26th May 1898. Does that ring a bell?

Kind Regards

Derek

Wow so he lost both presumably. Will research further into RWK TF. I will have to dig through the family names and see if they match, but it’s highly likely. Thanks again! 

4 minutes ago, Michelle Young said:

SW Leg L Hand 

Thanks for the map! 

[Michelle Young]

I see SW (shot wound) Leg L Hand 

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1 minute ago, Michelle Young said:

I see SW (shot wound) Leg L Hand 

Ah now I can see the SW. Good eye. 

[Michelle Young]

40 years of reading Drs handwriting……

[Swinesheadvillage]

Looking at the soldier above I definitely see SW R (Right) Leg. The same handwriting on JS Wood's entry didn't suggest SW. But then myopia is kicking in..

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17 minutes ago, Swinesheadvillage said:

Looking at the soldier above I definitely see SW R (Right) Leg. The same handwriting on JS Wood's entry didn't suggest SW. But then myopia is kicking in..

Is there a casualty report for Horace Wood, the previously mentioned brother of John S? Died Oct 7 1916 at 20 y/o at Somme.

[Swinesheadvillage]

Hi

I can't see any casualty report for Horace, nor any missing soldier requests on the ICRC site. John Wood's wounding report was dated 6th Oct 1917 at No 11 Casualty Clearing station, transferred on 9th Oct to 22 Ambulance train.

War diary of 11th CCS here:-

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/1b7c84b2b8904f87bab453d477b4866d

22 AT here

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/a0bcd9ca46154d4598b0646b91b37dc7

Unlikely to be mentioned by name, but will give you locations and routes

Hope this helps

Kind Regards

Derek

[jay dubaya]

3 hours ago, pmboxing said:

Amazing information! Would you be able to link where you found it? 

 

Thanks!

All available via ancestry, I can link the relevant documents if need be.

[jay dubaya]

History of the Shiny Seventh

[Swinesheadvillage]

Hi

Here's the casualty report on FMP:-

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM%2FMH106%2FP2%2F104277

Rolls and cards on Ancestry here:-

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/categories/39/?name=_wood&count=50&keyword=242262&keyword_x=1&location=3257.3250&name_x=1_1&priority=united-kingdom

Kind Regards

Derek

[Matlock1418]

On 18/02/2022 at 10:38, Swinesheadvillage said:

Could this be Jack (John S)

S/n 242262 Royal West Kent's.

Nice one.  No more guessing or assuming.

John Saunders WOOD

Pension cards at WFA/Fold3 confirms this is the right man.

A Pension Index Card and a Pension Ledger Index Card both have the same address as his mother - 66 East End, Road, Redruth, Cornwall [but not tagged as such :-/]

GSW, L leg Amp. Due to [Gun Shot Wound, Left leg Amputated, Due to service]

Born 1898. Single. Discharged 17.4.18 = 27/6 pw from 18.4.18 to 25.6.18 [this is this 100% rate commonly given at outset of pension under the 1918 Royal  Warrant. Rather looks like it was revised to 60% and this would be appropriate for an amputation of the leg above the knee or through the knee (i.e. not a short thigh amputation)]

A further Pension Index Card for his disabil;ity claim and another much later PIC have a widow's claim - by Gwendoline Wood - gives his date of death as 6.11.62.

M

Edited 21 February , 2022 by Matlock1418
corrective strike of "road"

[Allan1892]

Newspaper announcement of the death of Horace Wood (courtesy of Find My Past)

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On 18/02/2022 at 07:12, Swinesheadvillage said:

Hi

I can't see any casualty report for Horace, nor any missing soldier requests on the ICRC site. John Wood's wounding report was dated 6th Oct 1917 at No 11 Casualty Clearing station, transferred on 9th Oct to 22 Ambulance train.

War diary of 11th CCS here:-

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/1b7c84b2b8904f87bab453d477b4866d

22 AT here

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/a0bcd9ca46154d4598b0646b91b37dc7

Unlikely to be mentioned by name, but will give you locations and routes

Hope this helps

Kind Regards

Derek

Thank you for all your help! 

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On 18/02/2022 at 08:19, jay dubaya said:

History of the Shiny Seventh

Thank you! Much appreciated.

 

On 18/02/2022 at 12:47, Matlock1418 said:

Nice one.  No more guessing or assuming.

John Saunders WOOD

Pension cards at WFA/Fold3 confirms this is the right man.

A Pension Index Card and a Pension Ledger Index Card both have the same address as his mother - 66 East End Road, Redruth, Cornwall [but not tagged as such :-/]

GSW, L leg Amp. Due to [Gun Shot Wound, Left leg Amputated, Due to service]

Born 1898. Single. Discharged 17.4.18 = 27/6 pw from 18.4.18 to 25.6.18 [this is this 100% rate commonly given at outset of pension under the 1918 Royal  Warrant. Rather looks like it was revised to 60% and this would be appropriate for an amputation of the leg above the knee or through the knee (i.e. not a short thigh amputation)]

A further Pension Index Card for his disabil;ity claim and another much later PIC have a widow's claim - by Gwendoline Wood - gives his date of death as 6.11.62.

M

Nice to know John Wood's official DOD; we've been looking for this information. Much appreciated!

On 19/02/2022 at 09:04, Allan1892 said:

Newspaper announcement of the death of Horace Wood (courtesy of Find My Past)

Wow! Was looking for this for some time. Thank you!

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Thank you to everyone who helped and finally allowed us to add much needed information to Horace and John Wood's life! I will be adding photos of both soldiers in their WW1 uniforms soon to end the research.

Horace Wood - KIA October 7, 1916 at 20 y/o. Battle of the Somme, Presumably on the attack of Snag Trench near the Butte de Warlencourt. 1/7th Londons.  Remembered at the Thiepval Memorial.

John "Jack" Saunders Wood - WIA (GSW, L Leg Amputated through knee, Hand Wound) October 6, 1917. 1st Royal West Kents (TF)?, died June 11, 1962.

You are all amazing!

Edited 21 February , 2022 by pmboxing

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On 18/02/2022 at 07:12, Swinesheadvillage said:

Hi

I can't see any casualty report for Horace, nor any missing soldier requests on the ICRC site. John Wood's wounding report was dated 6th Oct 1917 at No 11 Casualty Clearing station, transferred on 9th Oct to 22 Ambulance train.

War diary of 11th CCS here:-

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/1b7c84b2b8904f87bab453d477b4866d

22 AT here

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/a0bcd9ca46154d4598b0646b91b37dc7

Unlikely to be mentioned by name, but will give you locations and routes

Hope this helps

Kind Regards

Derek

 

On 18/02/2022 at 12:47, Matlock1418 said:

Nice one.  No more guessing or assuming.

John Saunders WOOD

Pension cards at WFA/Fold3 confirms this is the right man.

A Pension Index Card and a Pension Ledger Index Card both have the same address as his mother - 66 East End Road, Redruth, Cornwall [but not tagged as such :-/]

GSW, L leg Amp. Due to [Gun Shot Wound, Left leg Amputated, Due to service]

Born 1898. Single. Discharged 17.4.18 = 27/6 pw from 18.4.18 to 25.6.18 [this is this 100% rate commonly given at outset of pension under the 1918 Royal  Warrant. Rather looks like it was revised to 60% and this would be appropriate for an amputation of the leg above the knee or through the knee (i.e. not a short thigh amputation)]

A further Pension Index Card for his disabil;ity claim and another much later PIC have a widow's claim - by Gwendoline Wood - gives his date of death as 6.11.62.

M

 

Hi all-

Found his name on a page listing all "The Queens Own Royal West Kent Regiment" recipients of the Silver War Badge. 

http://www.janetandrichardsgenealogy.co.uk/queens_own_royal_west_kent_silver war badge W.html

Name                                  Rank           Retl No   Badge    Enlisted   Discharged                   Cause                  Served Overseas?  Age

WOOD John Saunders

Pte

242262

404999

05.06.16

17.04.18

W

Y

19

I believe "TF", as John Wood is listed as belonging to "1st RWK TF" in another form, stands for Territorial Force. I am somewhat confused as to where he served. I understand territorial forces were sent overseas as needed, and therefore John Wood was a member of one of those that was selected. I am wondering if there is any record listing when he went overseas, and with what battalion so that I may trace where he was. Would he have simply been an infantryman being sent overseas with the territorial force?

Another user listed him being sent to the 11th Casualty Clearing Station, which The Long, Long Trail lists as being located from "15 July 1917: moved by lorry (163 lorry loads) to Godewaersvelde". Would this be the "Battle of Passchendaele/Third Battle of Ypres"? I do not see the 1st Royal West Kent Territorial Force as being listed there, unless there is something I am missing?

https://www.wartimememoriesproject.com/greatwar/allied/battalion.php?pid=7423

This page lists the activities of the 1st Battalion RWK, however, John Wood lists "TF" as stated by another user. Not sure if there is a connection, but if he served where this page lists, would he have been brought to Casualty Clearing Station 11?

Edited 21 February , 2022 by pmboxing

[jay dubaya]

He served with the 1/5th Battalion RWK as per the Medal Roll entry. 
The whole TF underwent a service number reshuffle during late December 1916 and March 1917, during this time all TF soldiers were renumbered with a six digit service number which had been allocated in blocks of numbers to individual battalions/units.

There is no date of entry on his MIC and there is only the six digit service number appears, this would suggest a move overseas post TF number change.

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2 hours ago, jay dubaya said:

He served with the 1/5th Battalion RWK as per the Medal Roll entry. 
The whole TF underwent a service number reshuffle during late December 1916 and March 1917, during this time all TF soldiers were renumbered with a six digit service number which had been allocated in blocks of numbers to individual battalions/units.

There is no date of entry on his MIC and there is only the six digit service number appears, this would suggest a move overseas post TF number change.

Interesting. Is there a way I can trace where he served? I am somewhat confused as it lists the 1/5 as being sent to British India. This conflicts with the 11th Casualty Clearing Station which John Wood went through which is listed as being in France,

[pmboxing]

Hi everyone, just reopening this thread to hopefully find more information on John Saunders Wood.

We previously established that his brother, Horace Wood, was killed in action while attacking Snag Trench at the Butte de Warlencourt. Through Horace, we found out the identity of John Saunders Wood, and the fact that family lore was true: he was wounded while serving, and he lost his leg.

I am hoping to discover what battle he received the shot wound to his hand and leg; any other information is also extremely helpful. The previous information, generously provided by Swinesheadvillage, shows he was moved to the 11 Casualty Clearing Station on 6 October 1917.

 

Thank you everyone!

Edited 16 March by pmboxing