weshallremember Posted 16 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2022 ALL VERY CONFUSING UNLESS THE SO CALLED MARRIAGE IN 1903 CAN BE FOUND I HAVE FOUND THIS WITH JAMES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 16 February , 2022 Share Posted 16 February , 2022 3 minutes ago, weshallremember said: UNLESS THE SO CALLED MARRIAGE IN 1903 CAN BE FOUND Sorry to have complicated the story. Perhaps the Canadians presumed it happened in UK and UK presumed it happened in Canada? What happened to Albert Edwin Bonfield? NB name easily misspelled as Banfield when searching. I didn't see him returning empty handed to England. Good to see the tablet with James's name. I wonder what happened to the gold medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 16 February , 2022 Share Posted 16 February , 2022 (edited) Here is an example of the Batley medal. "Anglo Boer War - Feedback on the Tribute Medal database - Page 4 - Boer War Forum" https://www.angloboerwar.com/forum/20-tribute-medals-medallions-and-commemorative-coins/31083-feedback-on-the-tribute-medal-database?start=18#gallery-6 Edited 16 February , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallremember Posted 16 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2022 I WONDER IF THE MARRAIGE DATE IS CORRECT ??? Hespent two years in active service in Africa, and upon his return to Eng-land accepted a position as manager of a dye works and subsequentlybecame a member of the police force at Yorkshire. He was active in thatconnection until in the early part of the twentieth century, when he cameto Canada and located in Montreal. There he followed his trade for sometime and later removed to Nova Scotia and thence to Philadelphia. In1907 he came to Alberta and located at Lethbridge. WIERD THAT IN 1907 HE RETURNED FROM PHILADELDHIA USA TO ALBERTA IT DOES NOT SAY HIM AND HIS WIFE WHEN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MARRIED IN 1903 AND THEIR FIRST CHILD WAS BORN IN 1909 (CLUTCHING AT STRAWS NOW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 16 February , 2022 Share Posted 16 February , 2022 Can anyone make sense of this 1907 US immigration card. There is an Albert Bonfield 30, an Alice Bonfield 34, a Mary Bonfield 27, and some small Bonfields...... "https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/839244:60579?_phcmd=u(%27https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/?name=Albert+edwin_B?nfield&event=_canada_3243&birth=1876&birth_x=2-0-0&count=50&name_x=i_1&types=rt&successSource=Search&queryId=0946019af4adbd08dea3b341a4e0104e%27,%27successSource%27)" https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/839244:60579?_phcmd=u('https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/?name=Albert+edwin_B?nfield&event=_canada_3243&birth=1876&birth_x=2-0-0&count=50&name_x=i_1&types=rt&successSource=Search&queryId=0946019af4adbd08dea3b341a4e0104e','successSource') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 16 February , 2022 Share Posted 16 February , 2022 6 hours ago, JWK said: A short bio of James : As JWK posted above in this thread James Bowker's Bio It has compleatly glossed over his previous marraige and the death of his son in ww1 which indicates that the so called marriage in 1903 may also be a red herring extract from his Bio In October, 1903, was celebrated the marriage of Mr. Bowker to Miss Mary Billett, a native of Dorset, England. To their union four children have been born : James R., Joseph F., Mary E. and Helen M it would be intresting to know when were the children recorded as having been born ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 16 February , 2022 Share Posted 16 February , 2022 11 minutes ago, RaySearching said: it would be intresting to know when were the children recorded as having been born In Alberta, as per the 1916 census (link in that "Bio-post" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallremember Posted 16 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2022 THE FIRST CHILD JAMES WAS BORN IN 1909 HE WAS 7 ON THE 1916 CENSUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 16 February , 2022 Share Posted 16 February , 2022 That biography in the Alberta book could ofcourse have been a fabrication of sorts. 40 years ago after my father died, he was very well known in the province, some journalist wrote an obituary in the local paper. In it that journo made us believe my father was in the army (he was), and that he went to the Netherlands Indies/Indonesia (he never even came close to Indonesia). All that with my mother, his widow, and his children all very much alive, so he could have asked us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 16 February , 2022 Share Posted 16 February , 2022 Have it now James 1909 Joseph 1910 Mary E 1913 Helen M 1915 if married in 1903,married 6 years then four children in quick succesion suggests the 1903 marraige date is incorrect 1 minute ago, JWK said: That biography in the Alberta book could ofcourse have been a fabrication of sorts. My thoughts exactly Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallremember Posted 16 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2022 1907 james came back to Alberta and located at Lethbridge. from usa from the book so did he meet mary ann bonfield in 1907 or 1908 could he have been married in 1908 and what happened to albert edwin bonfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallremember Posted 16 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2022 MY OTHER QUESTION DARE I ASK IF HE MARRIED IN 1898 TO ALICE THEN HAD A SON PERCY IN 1899 HE HAD QUITE A GOOD JOB BY THE SOUNDS OF IT SO WHY VOLUNTEER FOR THE ARMY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travers61 Posted 16 February , 2022 Share Posted 16 February , 2022 (edited) The outbreak of the Second Boer War saw displays of patriotism to help the Empire similar to that in 1914. Although recruiting numbers were smaller than 1914 as the enemy was not on the doorstep, it was the height of the British Empire & Queen Victorias Diamond Jubilee was only in 1897. I also assume joining up to serve in far away Africa would be seen as a great adventure. Travers Edited 16 February , 2022 by travers61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travers61 Posted 16 February , 2022 Share Posted 16 February , 2022 (edited) The 1923 bio as well as having some journalistic licence, could have an element of what his widow wanted to be know locally or had already been told by both. In Canada as in other places brits emigrated to great emphasis was put on when a person arrived, so to say they were married before the declared census dates of arrival (if correct) of 1905/6 would look good. Edited 16 February , 2022 by travers61 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallremember Posted 17 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 17 February , 2022 albert edwin bonfield trying in find a later census for albert edwin bonfield to see if mary is still his wife might help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 17 February , 2022 Share Posted 17 February , 2022 just to muddy the waters 1939 register corresponding date of birth and occupation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 17 February , 2022 Share Posted 17 February , 2022 An Albert Edwin Bonsfield marraige corresponding with the 1939 register Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallremember Posted 17 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 17 February , 2022 GOOD MORNING RAY THE NEVER ENDING STORY COMES TO MIND HAVE FOUND THIS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HELP ANCESTRY INCOMMING PASSENGER LISTS 1865 - 1935 THERE IS SOME FOR A JAMES BOWKER AND ONE FOR A MARY BILLETT BUT NOT A MEMBER SO CANT ACCESS TREVOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 17 February , 2022 Share Posted 17 February , 2022 2 minutes ago, weshallremember said: GOOD MORNING RAY THE NEVER ENDING STORY COMES TO MIND HAVE FOUND THIS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HELP ANCESTRY INCOMMING PASSENGER LISTS 1865 - 1935 THERE IS SOME FOR A JAMES BOWKER AND ONE FOR A MARY BILLETT BUT NOT A MEMBER SO CANT ACCESS TREVOR But you can provide the link. Ray, I saw that 1939 register entry yesterday but thought I had confused matters enough without adding more leads that I couldn't follow up. The Bonfields of Dorset were a quarrying family and sometimes they call themselves quarrymen and sometimes stonemasons. Thinking of masons, I note that that features in the Canada reports, masons as in freemasons. Either we have several similar named families running lives in parallel or the divorce courts were very busy or....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallremember Posted 17 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 17 February , 2022 https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/1263/?name=james_bowker https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/1263/?name=mary_billett LINKS TO PASSENGER LISTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 17 February , 2022 Share Posted 17 February , 2022 (edited) That first 1906 James bowker is the right man. 27year old Yorkshire pattern dyer. Heading from Liverpool to Montreal. No other obvious linked names on same page of that particular shipping list . Edited 17 February , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 17 February , 2022 Share Posted 17 February , 2022 Those Billett records don't look relevant. Wrong ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weshallremember Posted 17 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 17 February , 2022 SO THE ELUSIVE MARY IS THE MISSING LINK AND MAY WELL REMAIN THE MISSING LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 17 February , 2022 Share Posted 17 February , 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, RaySearching said: just to muddy the waters 1939 register corresponding date of birth and occupation I have now tracked this down. It is Albert Edward not Albert Edwin.- unless whoever filled in form got son-in-law's second name wrong- quite possible!! Here they are both on the 1911 census Portsea. Mother-in-law Wilhelmina is also on that 1939 Register. Note Albert Edward was a stonemason at HM Dockyard. "Ancestry.co.uk - 1911 England Census" https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2352/images/rg14_05612_0109_03?treeid=&personid=&rc=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=nxN489&_phstart=successSource&pId=42515754 7 hours ago, RaySearching said: Given that is 1913 and that the 1911 census already has Albert Edward Bonfield and Lily Elliott as married it cannot be same couple?? Unless they were getting a foreign marriage registered later in UK? All thoroughly complicated and needs a very large but if paper to keep track! Edited 17 February , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 17 February , 2022 Share Posted 17 February , 2022 When I look for clues in public trees I get the impression the Bowker, Bonfield, Elliott families have everyone a bit short on info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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