The oldest soldier of WW1?

[tankengine888]

Hello!

im interested in both young and old soldiers, especially old. I’m looking for the real life “Jack” Jones (from dads army), who served from 1885 to 1916, then the Home Guard. I seem to have found one that is interesting, Charles Key, 1st AIF Remount who served in the Zulu War, (Second)Boer war and so on. But I want to find the oldest of the old soldiers who served in the army or any branch previously!

any responses are appreciated!

[keithmroberts]

I suspect that  in the terms that you set out,  you have no chance. Many older ex servicemen returned to the colours, and served in UK barracks for part or all of the war, and by nature of their work and location, received no medal entitlement. They still did their duty, and sometimes more. Much the same applied to former RN personnel. Few who actually survived the war will have surviving service records.  In addition many pension records were weeded and disposed of where no claim had been made.

[sassenach]

Rifleman Alfred Figes( served as William Word), 3rd Btn, the Rifle Brigade, died on 30 November 1916, aged 79. He was a veteran of the Indian Mutiny. 

[ilkley remembers]

Quite a few old timers mentioned on this thread

 

[Eyersey1234]

I remember seeing an interview with Jimmy Perry a few years ago and he said that Jones was based on a real soldier who he had been in the Home Guard with 

[cmf]

Patrick Cosgrove aka Evan Jones, veteran of Rorkes Drift . . . love the cracking photo too . . . 

https://www.facebook.com/FireforceVentures/photos/a.260726211019060/1323198951438442

 

 

[Hywyn]

3 hours ago, cmf said:

Patrick Cosgrove aka Evan Jones, veteran of Rorkes Drift . . . love the cracking photo too . . . 

https://www.facebook.com/FireforceVentures/photos/a.260726211019060/1323198951438442

 

 

He's been previously discussed in this thread

https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/287615-a-true-old-sweat/#comment-2968520

 

[cmf]

Thanks, Hywyn! 

[tankengine888]

16 hours ago, Eyersey1234 said:

I remember seeing an interview with Jimmy Perry a few years ago and he said that Jones was based on a real soldier who he had been in the Home Guard with 

True that, it was also in saluting dad's army, who knows his name though

 

 

16 hours ago, cmf said:

Patrick Cosgrove aka Evan Jones, veteran of Rorkes Drift . . . love the cracking photo too . . . 

https://www.facebook.com/FireforceVentures/photos/a.260726211019060/1323198951438442

 

Lovely mate, didn't expect a soldier of the 24th Foot to serve in WW1 (except for Colour Sergeant Bourne ofcourse.)

I think Charles Key of the AIF still beats him, as Charles did go overseas.

[Ron Abbott]

sorry

Edited 20 February , 2022 by Ron Abbott

[Guest]

Mate,

We formed a at lest two units of these old men (Remounts)

the oldest man I have is;

KING    Henry Venn        Col    2 Remts    HQ disch 17-6-16 (Capt 2Co/DDMI 20-11-1889 to Maj DDMI 5-5-1894 to 14-10-1897 to Maj QMI 1-11-1900 to LtCol 13-2-1901 to CO RHQ/14 LHR QMI 13-6-1903 to 5 LH Bde HQ 11-8-1904 to Hon/Col RHQ/3 LH 1-11-13 CMF 29 years retired 1921) died at Toowoomba Qld born 7-12-1842 Son Guy 3 FAB    3 LH    Grazier    73    Kingsthorpe Qld    25-9-15    RTA 29-4-16 died 1929    Kingsthorpe Qld

Some the older men at lest from there AIF records which don't always tell the true story.

KEMP-BRUCE    John        Lt    Sea Transport Svc    Chaplain 4th class att 3 AAuxH Dartford UK 9-17 died influenza on HMTS "Dunluce Castle" listed on Hollybrook Memorial Southampton UK (prom 2/Lt 9 LH 22-2-14 CMF) (British Chaplain 3Bn Gordon Highlanders 2 years)    British TF    Clergyman    63    Wahroonga NSW    14-12-14 1-1-17    RTA 24-1-18 DoD 9-2-18 at sea    Wahroonga NSW

McDONNELL    Edward Patrick    Dr    Capt    14 AGH    7R Tos Hon Maj 10-17 disch 22-7-18 MU & age (Hon/Maj 17-3-09 AAMC CMF) (Boer War Lt NSW AMC att ASqn/1 NSWMR)    AMC    Doctor    61    Forbes NSW    12-7-17    RTA 28-4-18 died 19-6-27    Forbes NSW

VANDENBERGH    William    N/R    N/R    DNE    Holsworthy Detn centre (Boer War Sgt ASqn/5 ACH (93) (Robertson Troop West Camden Half Sqn 3Sqn/NSWL CMF) Son's Charles 12 LHR and Alfred 6 LHR    NSWL    Farmer    63    Robertson NSW    N/R    N/R    Robertson NSW

McLEISH    Duncan        Col    1 Remts    HQ to CO ARD 4-16 T/att Anzac MD HQ 5-17 T/att Anzac MD HQ 3-18 CB CMG 2xMID - reasons not stated Ex Sea Transport Svc A30 "Borda" buried Brighton Cemetery Vic (2/Lt VMR 1886 to Capt 1889 to LtCol 7 LH 1903 to 3 LH Bde 1906 to Col 1907 CMF to HonCol Retired list VD) (Boer War Capt 1 VMR & LtCol 2 ACH CBE MID) related to McLeish's    16 LH    Grazier    64    Yea Vic    24-9-15 23-6-15    disch 24-9-15 RTA 14-3-19 DoD 17-4-20    Middle Brighton Vic

NICHOLSON    Charles Edward        LtCol    Sea Transport Svc    CO "Warilda" disch 4-1-16 relist CO "Orsova" disch 29-6-16 relist CO "Port Nicholson"  att Red Cross Egypt disch 10-4-17 (Boer War Lt NSWL) (NSWL 1888 to prov 2/Lt Maitland Half Sqn 3Sqn/NSWL 12-6-1891 to Lt 1-7-1895 to T/Capt 22-2-00 to Capt Adjt RHQ/4 LH HRL 1-7-03 to Maj 3-3-08 to CO RHQ/4 LH HRL16-3-09 to Area Officer West Maitland 1-11-10 retired LtCol CAFLSM CAFOD VD 16-3-14 CMF 28 years)    4 LH    Grazier    61    West Maitland NSW    28-9-15 3-3-16 6-11-16    RTA 4-12-15 RTA 23-5-16 RTA 13-2-17 died 23-9-31    West Maitland NSW

ROWELL    James        Col    Sea Transport Service    Voyage only disch 10-3-17 (Pte Reedbeds cavalry 1877 to 2/Lt SAMR 1880 to Capt 1881 to Maj 1885 to LtCol 1895 to LH Bde 1910 retired 1911 to Military Commander Sth Australia 1916 to the Senate in 1916-22 VD) (Boer War LtCol 4 SAIB CB MID aide de camp to Gov Gen) born 1850 son's Lindsay 11 LHR and Sydney 3 LHR    LH    Farmer    65    Lockleys SA    25-3-15 14-9-15 7-2-16 9-8-16    RTA 10-6-15 RTA 15-11-15 RTA 3-3-16 RTA 28-12-16    Lockleys SA

There are many more in there 50's mostly soldiers not officers

As to the Zulu war I show these AIF men that served?

JONES    Percy Ford    539    Pte    03 LHR    C Sqn (513) to L/Cpl 9-15 evac to hosp (2 ASH) Mudros (jaundice) 11-15 (G) to Cpl (from hart) 12-15 att WFF to Sgt C Sqn (from tyrrell) 7-16 to hosp (dental)) 11-16 to 1 LHTR 2-17 Qual NCO course at Zeitoun 2-17 to hosp (gastro) 9-17 to ER RSM ADS att Guards PoW camp Gheizireh 10-17 RTA 1914 leave (Zulu War 1879 2Bn 24th Regiment of Foot (1762) 4 years & Imperial LH 12 years - Boer War Sth African Constabulary (315)    N/R    Orchardist    41    Winkleigh West Tamar Tas    8-10-14    RTA 13-10-18    Croydon UK

DePASSEY    William A        Maj    DNE    Gnr SA Perm Arty (82) 1888 to S/Sgt SAMR 1889 to Diamond Jubilee 1897 Medal to A&I staff 5-1904 Capt 4-4-06 to Maj 1-10-11 to BdeMaj HQ 1-7-13 CMF to LtCol 1921 to Col 1922 retired) (Boer War RSM 2 SAMR (1) to Lt 1901 and Capt DSqn/2 ACH) (British Pte 5th (Royal Irish) Lancers (1693) 1876 to 17th (Duke of Cambridge's Own) Lancers (2380) Zulu War 1879 disch in India 1888) born 1859 son Roy Lt 3 Tun Co    8 LH Bde HQ    A&I staff    N/R    Adelaide SA    1-7-13    N/R    Kensington Park 

We should not forget the Sudan

DIVALL    William    63    Cpl    6 LHR    A Sqn D Troop (545) evac to St Andrews hosp Malta (injuried hand & influ) 7-15 to (Eastleigh CCS) hosp Southampton UK 9-15 (G) to AB Abbey Wood UK 4-16 RTA MU rheum disch 16-9-16 (NSWInf (28) Sudan 1885 and Boer War CSqn/1 NSWMR (475)    N/R    Rail Guard    45    Tighe Hill via Newcastle NSW    18-9-14    RTA 8-5-16    Tighe Hill via Newcastle NSW

KEY    Charles    663    Pte    1 Remts    3 Sqn disch 16-6-16 (NSW IB (500) Sudan War 1885 and Boer War DSqn/1 NSWMR (329) and Cpl 2nd Scottish Horse (39715) to Gnr Natal Field Artillery 1906) died of nephris at Jamestown Hospital SA (pre Boer War 7 IR NSW CMF)     CMF    Driver    50    Parkside SA    23-9-15    RTA 29-4-16 died 2-3-21    Parkside SA

BEAUCHAMP    Henry Cecil    1211    Pte    2 Remts    HQ disch 17-6-16 (British 21st (Empress of India's) Lancers 21 years Sudan 1896 and India)    N/R    Driver    48    Paddington NSW    5-10-15 28-9-15    RTA 29-4-16 died 1929    Paddington NSW

GOOD    Peter    1220    Pte    2 Remts    HQ disch 17-6-16 (British 5th (Princess Charlotte of Wales's) Dragoon Guards 5 years) (NSW AFA (1211) Sudan Expedition to save Gordon 1885 3 years)    N/R    Groom    50    Lavender Bay NSW    5-10-15    RTA 29-4-16    Paddington NSW

GRAY    John William    1242    Pte    10 LHR    9R Tos 2-16 to T/Cpl AProvC Cairo 1-17 att APM stealing Canal zone 6-17 to AProvC MMP Palestine LofC 9-17 disch 13-2-18 debility (Boer War Northumberland Fusiliers and Sudan 1898) (British Northumberland Fusiliers 1893 to 1902 9 years    N/R    Shoesmith / Imperial Reservist    38    Mannavale Farm near York    28-6-15    RTA 28-12-17    Byker Newcastle on Tyne UK

GLANHAM    Thomas Dainton Younger    2034    Pte    6 LHR    14R disch overage (Boer War BSqn/1 NSWMR (131) & L/Cpl CSqn/1 ACH (295) and Cpl BCo/NSWInf (179) Sudan 1885 born 1855 died 1926    N/R    Surveyors draughtsman    44    Nth Sydney NSW    16-11-15    RTA 11-4-16    Nth Sydney NSW

CARROLL    Phillip Joseph    3414    Pte    7 LHR    29R NTOS disch 2-3-18 MU Ex BCo/3Bn (335) To CCo 1-15 WIA 25/27-4-15 both legs, L/arm & both hands shrapnel at the landing (G) disch 10-2-16 (NSWInf Sudan 1885 and Boer War ECo/NSWIB (674) & Prince of Wales' LH (36200) real age 54    N/R    Stockman    42    Zetland NSW    10-4-17    RTA 7-11-15 RTA 28-12-17    Zetland NSW

BIRD    John William    8137    Dvr    1 LH Bde Trn    12R (5Co AASC) (224) Tos 1-16 att WFF disch 25-7-16 MU (British 1Bn The Royal Warwickshire Regt (4332) 7 years in the Sudan War clasps for Atbara and Khartoum campaign 1898)     N/R    Caster    39    Churchill via Ipswich Qld    30-7-15    RTA 21-5-16    Churchill via Ipswich Qld

LYNCH    Thomas Joseph        Bde/Maj    2 LH Bde HQ    HQ Bde Maj T/att T/2ic 2Bn 5-15 att camp commander 1 Div HQ 6-15 (G) disch 14-4-16 MU defective vision died in Australia (29 years RGA to QM & HonMaj A&I staff PMF 6 years) (NSWArty Sudan 1885 and Boer War 2/Lt BSqn/NSWCB WIA 9-9-00)    A&I staff    Soldier / A&I staff    54    Artarmon NSW    17-9-14    RTA 3-3-16 DoD 30-11-21    Artarmon NSW
 

Of cause there others in other parts of my Light Horse DB.

S.B

 

S.B

Edited 21 February , 2022 by stevebecker

[tankengine888]

2 hours ago, stevebecker said:

Mate,

We formed a at lest two units of these old men (Remounts)

the oldest man I have is;

KING    Henry Venn        Col    2 Remts    HQ disch 17-6-16 (Capt 2Co/DDMI 20-11-1889 to Maj DDMI 5-5-1894 to 14-10-1897 to Maj QMI 1-11-1900 to LtCol 13-2-1901 to CO RHQ/14 LHR QMI 13-6-1903 to 5 LH Bde HQ 11-8-1904 to Hon/Col RHQ/3 LH 1-11-13 CMF 29 years retired 1921) died at Toowoomba Qld born 7-12-1842 Son Guy 3 FAB    3 LH    Grazier    73    Kingsthorpe Qld    25-9-15    RTA 29-4-16 died 1929    Kingsthorpe Qld

Some the older men at lest from there AIF records which don't always tell the true story.

KEMP-BRUCE    John        Lt    Sea Transport Svc    Chaplain 4th class att 3 AAuxH Dartford UK 9-17 died influenza on HMTS "Dunluce Castle" listed on Hollybrook Memorial Southampton UK (prom 2/Lt 9 LH 22-2-14 CMF) (British Chaplain 3Bn Gordon Highlanders 2 years)    British TF    Clergyman    63    Wahroonga NSW    14-12-14 1-1-17    RTA 24-1-18 DoD 9-2-18 at sea    Wahroonga NSW

McDONNELL    Edward Patrick    Dr    Capt    14 AGH    7R Tos Hon Maj 10-17 disch 22-7-18 MU & age (Hon/Maj 17-3-09 AAMC CMF) (Boer War Lt NSW AMC att ASqn/1 NSWMR)    AMC    Doctor    61    Forbes NSW    12-7-17    RTA 28-4-18 died 19-6-27    Forbes NSW

VANDENBERGH    William    N/R    N/R    DNE    Holsworthy Detn centre (Boer War Sgt ASqn/5 ACH (93) (Robertson Troop West Camden Half Sqn 3Sqn/NSWL CMF) Son's Charles 12 LHR and Alfred 6 LHR    NSWL    Farmer    63    Robertson NSW    N/R    N/R    Robertson NSW

McLEISH    Duncan        Col    1 Remts    HQ to CO ARD 4-16 T/att Anzac MD HQ 5-17 T/att Anzac MD HQ 3-18 CB CMG 2xMID - reasons not stated Ex Sea Transport Svc A30 "Borda" buried Brighton Cemetery Vic (2/Lt VMR 1886 to Capt 1889 to LtCol 7 LH 1903 to 3 LH Bde 1906 to Col 1907 CMF to HonCol Retired list VD) (Boer War Capt 1 VMR & LtCol 2 ACH CBE MID) related to McLeish's    16 LH    Grazier    64    Yea Vic    24-9-15 23-6-15    disch 24-9-15 RTA 14-3-19 DoD 17-4-20    Middle Brighton Vic

NICHOLSON    Charles Edward        LtCol    Sea Transport Svc    CO "Warilda" disch 4-1-16 relist CO "Orsova" disch 29-6-16 relist CO "Port Nicholson"  att Red Cross Egypt disch 10-4-17 (Boer War Lt NSWL) (NSWL 1888 to prov 2/Lt Maitland Half Sqn 3Sqn/NSWL 12-6-1891 to Lt 1-7-1895 to T/Capt 22-2-00 to Capt Adjt RHQ/4 LH HRL 1-7-03 to Maj 3-3-08 to CO RHQ/4 LH HRL16-3-09 to Area Officer West Maitland 1-11-10 retired LtCol CAFLSM CAFOD VD 16-3-14 CMF 28 years)    4 LH    Grazier    61    West Maitland NSW    28-9-15 3-3-16 6-11-16    RTA 4-12-15 RTA 23-5-16 RTA 13-2-17 died 23-9-31    West Maitland NSW

ROWELL    James        Col    Sea Transport Service    Voyage only disch 10-3-17 (Pte Reedbeds cavalry 1877 to 2/Lt SAMR 1880 to Capt 1881 to Maj 1885 to LtCol 1895 to LH Bde 1910 retired 1911 to Military Commander Sth Australia 1916 to the Senate in 1916-22 VD) (Boer War LtCol 4 SAIB CB MID aide de camp to Gov Gen) born 1850 son's Lindsay 11 LHR and Sydney 3 LHR    LH    Farmer    65    Lockleys SA    25-3-15 14-9-15 7-2-16 9-8-16    RTA 10-6-15 RTA 15-11-15 RTA 3-3-16 RTA 28-12-16    Lockleys SA

There are many more in there 50's mostly soldiers not officers

As to the Zulu war I show these AIF men that served?

JONES    Percy Ford    539    Pte    03 LHR    C Sqn (513) to L/Cpl 9-15 evac to hosp (2 ASH) Mudros (jaundice) 11-15 (G) to Cpl (from hart) 12-15 att WFF to Sgt C Sqn (from tyrrell) 7-16 to hosp (dental)) 11-16 to 1 LHTR 2-17 Qual NCO course at Zeitoun 2-17 to hosp (gastro) 9-17 to ER RSM ADS att Guards PoW camp Gheizireh 10-17 RTA 1914 leave (Zulu War 1879 2Bn 24th Regiment of Foot (1762) 4 years & Imperial LH 12 years - Boer War Sth African Constabulary (315)    N/R    Orchardist    41    Winkleigh West Tamar Tas    8-10-14    RTA 13-10-18    Croydon UK

DePASSEY    William A        Maj    DNE    Gnr SA Perm Arty (82) 1888 to S/Sgt SAMR 1889 to Diamond Jubilee 1897 Medal to A&I staff 5-1904 Capt 4-4-06 to Maj 1-10-11 to BdeMaj HQ 1-7-13 CMF to LtCol 1921 to Col 1922 retired) (Boer War RSM 2 SAMR (1) to Lt 1901 and Capt DSqn/2 ACH) (British Pte 5th (Royal Irish) Lancers (1693) 1876 to 17th (Duke of Cambridge's Own) Lancers (2380) Zulu War 1879 disch in India 1888) born 1859 son Roy Lt 3 Tun Co    8 LH Bde HQ    A&I staff    N/R    Adelaide SA    1-7-13    N/R    Kensington Park 

We should not forget the Sudan

DIVALL    William    63    Cpl    6 LHR    A Sqn D Troop (545) evac to St Andrews hosp Malta (injuried hand & influ) 7-15 to (Eastleigh CCS) hosp Southampton UK 9-15 (G) to AB Abbey Wood UK 4-16 RTA MU rheum disch 16-9-16 (NSWInf (28) Sudan 1885 and Boer War CSqn/1 NSWMR (475)    N/R    Rail Guard    45    Tighe Hill via Newcastle NSW    18-9-14    RTA 8-5-16    Tighe Hill via Newcastle NSW

KEY    Charles    663    Pte    1 Remts    3 Sqn disch 16-6-16 (NSW IB (500) Sudan War 1885 and Boer War DSqn/1 NSWMR (329) and Cpl 2nd Scottish Horse (39715) to Gnr Natal Field Artillery 1906) died of nephris at Jamestown Hospital SA (pre Boer War 7 IR NSW CMF)     CMF    Driver    50    Parkside SA    23-9-15    RTA 29-4-16 died 2-3-21    Parkside SA

BEAUCHAMP    Henry Cecil    1211    Pte    2 Remts    HQ disch 17-6-16 (British 21st (Empress of India's) Lancers 21 years Sudan 1896 and India)    N/R    Driver    48    Paddington NSW    5-10-15 28-9-15    RTA 29-4-16 died 1929    Paddington NSW

GOOD    Peter    1220    Pte    2 Remts    HQ disch 17-6-16 (British 5th (Princess Charlotte of Wales's) Dragoon Guards 5 years) (NSW AFA (1211) Sudan Expedition to save Gordon 1885 3 years)    N/R    Groom    50    Lavender Bay NSW    5-10-15    RTA 29-4-16    Paddington NSW

GRAY    John William    1242    Pte    10 LHR    9R Tos 2-16 to T/Cpl AProvC Cairo 1-17 att APM stealing Canal zone 6-17 to AProvC MMP Palestine LofC 9-17 disch 13-2-18 debility (Boer War Northumberland Fusiliers and Sudan 1898) (British Northumberland Fusiliers 1893 to 1902 9 years    N/R    Shoesmith / Imperial Reservist    38    Mannavale Farm near York    28-6-15    RTA 28-12-17    Byker Newcastle on Tyne UK

GLANHAM    Thomas Dainton Younger    2034    Pte    6 LHR    14R disch overage (Boer War BSqn/1 NSWMR (131) & L/Cpl CSqn/1 ACH (295) and Cpl BCo/NSWInf (179) Sudan 1885 born 1855 died 1926    N/R    Surveyors draughtsman    44    Nth Sydney NSW    16-11-15    RTA 11-4-16    Nth Sydney NSW

CARROLL    Phillip Joseph    3414    Pte    7 LHR    29R NTOS disch 2-3-18 MU Ex BCo/3Bn (335) To CCo 1-15 WIA 25/27-4-15 both legs, L/arm & both hands shrapnel at the landing (G) disch 10-2-16 (NSWInf Sudan 1885 and Boer War ECo/NSWIB (674) & Prince of Wales' LH (36200) real age 54    N/R    Stockman    42    Zetland NSW    10-4-17    RTA 7-11-15 RTA 28-12-17    Zetland NSW

BIRD    John William    8137    Dvr    1 LH Bde Trn    12R (5Co AASC) (224) Tos 1-16 att WFF disch 25-7-16 MU (British 1Bn The Royal Warwickshire Regt (4332) 7 years in the Sudan War clasps for Atbara and Khartoum campaign 1898)     N/R    Caster    39    Churchill via Ipswich Qld    30-7-15    RTA 21-5-16    Churchill via Ipswich Qld

LYNCH    Thomas Joseph        Bde/Maj    2 LH Bde HQ    HQ Bde Maj T/att T/2ic 2Bn 5-15 att camp commander 1 Div HQ 6-15 (G) disch 14-4-16 MU defective vision died in Australia (29 years RGA to QM & HonMaj A&I staff PMF 6 years) (NSWArty Sudan 1885 and Boer War 2/Lt BSqn/NSWCB WIA 9-9-00)    A&I staff    Soldier / A&I staff    54    Artarmon NSW    17-9-14    RTA 3-3-16 DoD 30-11-21    Artarmon NSW
 

Of cause there others in other parts of my Light Horse DB.

S.B

 

S.B

Partially read it, 
I got the trump card!
This man is older than others on your list
https://vwma.org.au/explore/people/796919

 

[AOK4]

Professor Caspar rené Gregory, born 1846, was an American German and volunteered at the age of 67 (he is considered to be the oldest German war volunteer). He was KIA on 9 April 1917 (artillery bombardment on Neufchâtel-sur-Aisne). He had served some time at the front, but had been appointed Gräberverwaltungsoffizier in October 1916.

See https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_PRo2AAAAMAAJ/mode/2up

[Simon Birch]

According to the Guinness book of records the oldest British soldier, was Robert Frederick Robertson, who re-enlisted aged 71, saw active service and died in 1916.

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/oldest-soldier-to-enlist-in-wwi#:~:text=The oldest soldier to enlist,he enlisted in late 1914.

Simon

[sassenach]

Private Figes/Word was some six years older, as noted in post of 10 Feb.

[stiletto_33853]

Amazing what you can find if you can be bothered to use the search facility. A topic that has arisen before a few times

[tankengine888]

@stevebeckerprobably should’ve quoted but this’ll do.

looked through the Zulu War list

JONES    Percy Ford    539    Pte    03 LHR    C Sqn (513) to L/Cpl 9-15 evac to hosp (2 ASH) Mudros (jaundice) 11-15 (G) to Cpl (from hart) 12-15 att WFF to Sgt C Sqn (from tyrrell) 7-16 to hosp (dental)) 11-16 to 1 LHTR 2-17 Qual NCO course at Zeitoun 2-17 to hosp (gastro) 9-17 to ER RSM ADS att Guards PoW camp Gheizireh 10-17 RTA 1914 leave (Zulu War 1879 2Bn 24th Regiment of Foot (1762) 4 years & Imperial LH 12 years - Boer War Sth African Constabulary (315)    N/R    Orchardist    41    Winkleigh West Tamar Tas    8-10-14    RTA 13-10-18    Croydon UK

cannot find his birth record except for one on ancestry listing 1873 birth.. if that’s the case, he’d be 6 by time of the Zulu Wars… Drummer?

[Waddell]

3 hours ago, tankengine888 said:

@stevebeckerprobably should’ve quoted but this’ll do.

looked through the Zulu War list

JONES    Percy Ford    539    Pte    03 LHR    C Sqn (513) to L/Cpl 9-15 evac to hosp (2 ASH) Mudros (jaundice) 11-15 (G) to Cpl (from hart) 12-15 att WFF to Sgt C Sqn (from tyrrell) 7-16 to hosp (dental)) 11-16 to 1 LHTR 2-17 Qual NCO course at Zeitoun 2-17 to hosp (gastro) 9-17 to ER RSM ADS att Guards PoW camp Gheizireh 10-17 RTA 1914 leave (Zulu War 1879 2Bn 24th Regiment of Foot (1762) 4 years & Imperial LH 12 years - Boer War Sth African Constabulary (315)    N/R    Orchardist    41    Winkleigh West Tamar Tas    8-10-14    RTA 13-10-18    Croydon UK

cannot find his birth record except for one on ancestry listing 1873 birth.. if that’s the case, he’d be 6 by time of the Zulu Wars… Drummer?

 A lot of these soldiers who stayed on in South Africa after the Boer War and mention Zulu War are referring to the Zulu Rebellion in 1906.

Scott

 

[tankengine888]

38 minutes ago, Waddell said:

 A lot of these soldiers who stayed on in South Africa after the Boer War and mention Zulu War are referring to the Zulu Rebellion in 1906.

Scott

 

So that means only DePassy was in the Zulu War aswell as Charles Key.. but Steve listed him as Sudan 1885 when he had served in Zulu Wars.

But that sounds about right anyways, thanks!

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Mate,

(Jones)
Sorry I can't find my source for the Zulu war (1879), is its to long ago but I had been told he served with the 2Bn 24th Foot, with a Regt number? 

He does claim Zulu war as part of his service but there's the problem

He mentions service in the Imperial LH, in Boer war, while documents show he service in the SAC with a Regt number in the Boer War?

A number of Aussies did see service in the Imperial LH in the Natal Rebellion (1906), but I could find no record of any service.

If you can find that then please let us know?

 

As to the Record of Charles Key?

Where does he claim service in the Zulu War 1879?

Records do show he served in the Sudan 1885 - Boer War 1900-01 and Natal 1906

He claims to be 49/50 years old?

So are we now saying he served in the Zulu war of 1879?

S.B

 

 

[tankengine888]

3 hours ago, stevebecker said:

Mate,

(Jones)
Sorry I can't find my source for the Zulu war (1879), is its to long ago but I had been told he served with the 2Bn 24th Foot, with a Regt number? 

He does claim Zulu war as part of his service but there's the problem

He mentions service in the Imperial LH, in Boer war, while documents show he service in the SAC with a Regt number in the Boer War?

A number of Aussies did see service in the Imperial LH in the Natal Rebellion (1906), but I could find no record of any service.

If you can find that then please let us know?

 

As to the Record of Charles Key?

Where does he claim service in the Zulu War 1879?

Records do show he served in the Sudan 1885 - Boer War 1900-01 and Natal 1906

He claims to be 49/50 years old?

So are we now saying he served in the Zulu war of 1879?

S.B

 

 

Hi!

Charles Key is listed as Zulu War.

IN MEMORY OF THE BRAVE.

KEY.—In memory of Cpl. Charles Key, born New Zealand, December, 1858, died Jamestown, Hospital (of neptritus), March 2nd, 1921.

DECORATIONS.

Egyptian Medal and Star, Kings and two Bars, Queen's three Bars, South Africa, Zulu Medal and Clasp, 1914-1915 Star at the Hands of His Royal Highness the Prince of Wales at Government House, Adelaide; also War Service Medal.—Inserted by his loving wife A. T. Key (nee McGuinness), Adelaide.

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article63578000

 

As for the other bloke (Jones), he stated service with 24th Regiment, so they might explain it.

TTFN

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Mate,

Possibly, but as mentioned by Scott, the Natal Rebellion of 1906 was often called the Zulu war

Around 1900, Aussies got caught in a number of wars going on around the world

2nd Sudan, Matabele war, China rebellion, Boer wars (1 and 2), just to name a few.

We had just fought in the last New Zealand war before all this.

So our part of the globe was going.

S.B

[tankengine888]

15 hours ago, stevebecker said:

Mate,

Possibly, but as mentioned by Scott, the Natal Rebellion of 1906 was often called the Zulu war

Around 1900, Aussies got caught in a number of wars going on around the world

2nd Sudan, Matabele war, China rebellion, Boer wars (1 and 2), just to name a few.

We had just fought in the last New Zealand war before all this.

So our part of the globe was going.

S.B

Well I suppose yes, Zulu War 'Natal Rebellion'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_Native_Rebellion_Medal
It had a clasp, so that accounts for that. I don't have photos of him unfortunately [none on ancestry or VWMA] but he was of serving age in 1879.. but born in NZ
TTFN.