Sgt Stripes Posted 24 January , 2022 Share Posted 24 January , 2022 (edited) Hi. Looking for information on Pte 23797 William Howse, Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light infantry. His number was changed to 20296 and 267281. The only information i have is that he received a SWB however a very old auction site states that he was wounded on 18 October 1916 while serving with the 7th Ox and Bucks. there was a 13028 William Howse who was wounded with the 7th but i do not think this is my man. Thank you Edited 24 January , 2022 by Sgt Stripes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 24 January , 2022 Share Posted 24 January , 2022 40 minutes ago, Sgt Stripes said: Hi. Looking for information on Pte 23797 William Howse Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire Light infantry. His number was changed to 20296 and 267281. The only information i have is that he received a SWB. He was discharged 15 Aug 1919https://www.fold3.com/image/701956747?terms=267281,howse Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 24 January , 2022 Share Posted 24 January , 2022 I should add that the 5s 6d per week that was paid was the minimum rate for a 20% disability, Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 24 January , 2022 Share Posted 24 January , 2022 1 hour ago, Sgt Stripes said: there was a 13028 William Howse who was wounded with the 7th but i do not think this is my man You're correct - he was a man discharged April 1919. This is your man. He wasn't with the 7th (or at least not overseas).https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/5119/images/41629_625537_9669-00217?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=6f3680a523edf0727c910f91641e2200&usePUB=true&_phsrc=lWR110&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=2883572 He was discharged due to wounds https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2456/images/wo329_3123-00004?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=afe00ef0ba68d2a91aeecd26afcbb978&usePUB=true&_phsrc=lWR112&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=499568 Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Tobin Posted 24 January , 2022 Share Posted 24 January , 2022 267281 Pte HOWSE, William Born 1883 Enlisted 9 Jun 1916 Discharged 15 Aug 1919 Ancestry SWB Roll (WO 329/3123) Enlisted as 23797 Pte into O&BLI; with 6th Bn; France & Flanders; as 20296 Pte, to 2/1st Bucks Bn, F & F; to 2/4th Bn, F & F, 1918; wounded; SWB (B286558); discharged; M: War & Vict Res: 21 South Parade, St Giles, Oxford. Sold by DNW 10/11/21 from Soldiers of Oxford Collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 24 January , 2022 Share Posted 24 January , 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said: due to wounds Wounding in daily cas list of 28/9/1917 (267281) Edited 24 January , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 24 January , 2022 Share Posted 24 January , 2022 The transfer to 2/1 Bucks was c Oct 1916.(near numbers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Stripes Posted 24 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 24 January , 2022 Many thanks to you all for taking the time to look for information on pte Howse and replying to my question. Really struggled finding information on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 25 January , 2022 Share Posted 25 January , 2022 His wounding was reported in the Daily Cas List of 28/9/17 which would normally appear about a month after the actual wounding. If he was 2/1st Bucks at the time, which I presume he was, then the appropriate event is probably 22nd August 1917 at Third Ypres. The excellent Lightbobs site tells us this: The losses were found to have been very heavy 13 officers and 637 other ranks went into action, 11 officers and 338 other ranks were reported as casualties. KILLED: 1 Officer And 46 other ranks. DIED OF WOUNDS: 3 Officers WOUNDED 4 Officers And 156 other ranks. MISSING: 3 Officers And 122 other ranks. Of the missing 19 were afterwards traced as prisoners of war, and 103 presumed killed. Nine of the prisoners were wounded when captured. Indeed the Daily Casualty List of 28/9/17 for OBLI has some 220 names is made up principally of 200,000 series service numbers, suggesting they were mostly Bucks Bn men? I will test a few names. Here is a sample, incl Howse: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 25 January , 2022 Share Posted 25 January , 2022 (edited) Hood 285080. Service Record shows 2/1st Bucks Bn at the time but went sick 25/8/17 PUO. This was perhaps after effects of battle of 22/23 Aug ? Anyway it was classed officially as wounding . As will be seen from my next post, the Bn were out of the line on 25/8/17. Edited 25 January , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 25 January , 2022 Share Posted 25 January , 2022 A bit more from Lightbobs showing the 2/1st were relieved straightway after the battle. At night the Battalion was relieved by the 2/7th Worcesters, to whom they handed over a much-improved line, straighter and stronger than it had been when they took it over on the 20th. Many attempts were made by the Worcesters and Warwicks to clear the strong posts and gun-pits in front during their tour in the line, but without achieving any success, and they remained an annoyance until swept away in the general attack and advance on the 1st October. The Battalion returned to their old bivouac at Goldfish Chateau, a sad return. Except “A” Company, all were commanded by Sergeants. The men were in the last stage of exhaustion, the strongest Company had barely 80, the weakest just over 50 in the ranks. Practically all the officers had become casualties at the very commencement of the action, despite the fact that in accordance with orders they wore the dress and equipment of the men. This shows that in fighting at short range it is the act of leadership rather than the dress that distinguishes the officer as a mark to be specially selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Stripes Posted 26 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 26 January , 2022 Thank you charlie962 for this very useful information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 26 January , 2022 Share Posted 26 January , 2022 Are you the current custodian of the MM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Stripes Posted 27 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 January , 2022 Hi. Do you by MM Military medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6RRF Posted 27 January , 2022 Share Posted 27 January , 2022 Yes, MM is the standard abbreviation for the Military Medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Stripes Posted 27 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 January , 2022 Totally unaware that he was awarded a MM.. Would be very interested in finding any information about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 January , 2022 Share Posted 27 January , 2022 1 hour ago, Sgt Stripes said: Totally unaware that he was awarded a MM.. Would be very interested in finding any information about it. Sorry,I must be having a senior moment and mixed him with another! I did see his bwm was sold late last year. I'll double check. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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