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Sue S

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I was about to ask about the female front & centre. I think she's holding her hands behind her back.

TEW

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2 hours ago, Michelle Young said:

No I meant the one In Belfast.

I beg your pardon! 🙂

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1 hour ago, TEW said:

I was about to ask about the female front & centre. I think she's holding her hands behind her back.

TEW

I think you can see her right arm (just) but the left arm looks to be missing below the sleeve to me.

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Craig

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35 minutes ago, seaJane said:

I beg your pardon! 🙂

Sorry, wasn’t very clear……..

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On 29/01/2022 at 19:18, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Re:-spacing. Hard to tell from this scan, a better one is required really.

I think it is definitely IJ.

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The IJ registration number prefix (County Down) as previously mentioned, was in use from December 1903 to April 1930.

Mike.

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Man theres so.e great detective work on these pages. 

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I keep missing the ball, I too was thinking that car was the best bet 😀

Young lady appears to quite definitely have elbows so hands behind back, would surely be unlikely for her to be in a military hospital as a patient anyway. She is not in nursing uniform... but her face DOES bear a resemblance to me anyway to Winifred  er Letts was it? Subject of another thread? Who has been pictured in that thread wearing a blouse with a similar collar? Winifred seems to have been from Ireland if I remember that thread correctly, I think Dublin was mentioned? 

Thought strikes me that the two gentlemen far right are very dark skinned and don't know if that offers any clues? 

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21 hours ago, Madmeg said:

I keep missing the ball, I too was thinking that car was the best bet 😀

Young lady appears to quite definitely have elbows so hands behind back, would surely be unlikely for her to be in a military hospital as a patient anyway. She is not in nursing uniform... but her face DOES bear a resemblance to me anyway to Winifred  er Letts was it? Subject of another thread? Who has been pictured in that thread wearing a blouse with a similar collar? Winifred seems to have been from Ireland if I remember that thread correctly, I think Dublin was mentioned? 

Thought strikes me that the two gentlemen far right are very dark skinned and don't know if that offers any clues? 

Her uniform is very reminiscent of the Almeric Paget Masseuses (overall type with deep pocket and button fastened waist belt to nip it in) except that it’s clearly not white.  I agree she has her hands behind her back.  The one cap badge that I can make out appears to be the West Yorkshire Regiment.  Interestingly there was apparently a “UVF Limbless Hospital” in Belfast, presumably run under the auspices or funding of the Ulster Volunteer Force.  The photo is from 1913.  See: https://m.facebook.com/pages/category/Community/Ulster-Volunteer-Hospitals-and-Ulster-Volunteer-Medical-and-Nursing-Corps-1460189787547459/

NB.  Apparently (according to a letterhead listing all the UVF hospitals) the UVF Limbless and Orthapaedic Hospital was located in University Road, Belfast.  Details of that establishment (which was within the grounds of Queen’s university) can be seen here: https://www.qub.ac.uk/directorates/InformationServices/TheLibrary/SpecialCollections/DigitalResources/Exhibitions/QueensandWorldWarOne/

 

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Maybe I'm imagining it but the dark skinned chap in the first picture at the back, could he be the same chap at the front row of the op post? And there is a chap at the back in the third picture who has a resemblance to one in op pic?

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8 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

the UVF Limbless and Orthapaedic Hospital was located in University Road, Belfast.

I have scoured the streets of Belfast using Google maps looking for the striped brickwork. ie 4 rows of blue and 4 rows of red. Nothing has showed up as yet. A lot of the Queens University buildings on University road are still there but many frontages have hoarding over the fronts due to restoration work of some sort. The architecture fits overall for this age but  a side door such as this is not to be found, by me. Even though it is a big side door with steps. It could be a front door, though I doubt that. Smaller Belfast hospitals have not been fruitful. The search continues......

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1 minute ago, Bob Davies said:

I have scoured the streets of Belfast using Google maps looking for the striped brickwork. ie 4 rows of blue and 4 rows of red. Nothing has showed up as yet. A lot of the Queens University buildings on University road are still there but many frontages have hoarding over the fronts due to restoration work of some sort. The architecture fits overall for this age but  a side door such as this is not to be found, by me. Even though it is a big side door with steps. It could be a front door, though I doubt that. Smaller Belfast hospitals have not been fruitful. The search continues......

Yes I don’t think that it can be the Queen’s University site unfortunately.

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On 21/01/2022 at 18:13, Sue S said:

I am bringing up the original picture again. On the left is a very tall building, what is it I ask myself?The buildings to the right of that I think are another very large place, not a row of terraced houses. Is it a barracks? Back to the cap badges @FROGSMILE There are hundreds of thousands of men being wounded who are then are returned to the UK for treatment/convalescence etc. The normal hospital system cannot cope so other buildings/grand houses are being used. I suppose it does not matter where you as a casualty are sent so long as you are getting treatment, some in specialised hospitals, therefore cap badge /regiment/unit does not come into the equasion, or does it? For example, Yorkshire regiments with the Devons in a hospital in Scotland? I am thinking out loud here as it were so ignore my ramblings by all means. The soldier to the left of the nurse who is smoking and the soldier directly behind the nurse both have a badge of some sort on their left lapels, ideas anyone?944439236_PickHospital(2).jpg.05b1708ca882c26bd4b12cb387f22d10.jpg

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On 30/01/2022 at 02:48, NigelS said:

To my eye not terraced houses but  barracks or large wards?  Possibly one of the older, long established military hospitals rather than a general hospital; some of the architectural features of the background buildings are similar to those of some parts of the extensive Cambridge Military Hospital, Aldershot which had multiple wings, but I'm hesitant to suggest that this might be the location.

NigelS

I agree with your thoughts on this NigelS. After a lot of looking at pictures on the net I am sure that the location is part of a large hospital. So many have been demolished over the years and the pictures remaining only show the fronts of the buildings even from aerial photos. Also from further reading it seems that injured men were when possible sent to their local area hospitals or convalescent homes.  I have not been able to find any more about Edgar Pick,  Staffs Yeomanry but he is listed on fold 3. as an amputee.

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I wonder if the OP @Sue S has had a chance to re-scan the postcard at a high resolution.

I must admit, I'm not convinced the letters on the car number plate are IJ.

All letters should be the same height, but I'm seeing the 'J' as being longer than the 'I'. It could be an U with dirt, or a blemish on the photo just on the bend of the letter U.

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17 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

I must admit, I'm not convinced the letters on the car number plate are IJ.

All letters should be the same height, but I'm seeing the 'J' as being longer than the 'I'. It could be an U with dirt, or a blemish on the photo just on the bend of the letter U.

Me too. I think it is a U, no matter how I adjust the picture in picassa I still see the letter U. I cannot make it a letter H, which was my other thought. Here is a link to another picture of a car outside a Leeds hospital, 2nd Northern General Hospital. It looks to have the same start letter as the one in question. https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/haunted-history-former-leeds-war-hospital-595173

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2 hours ago, Bob Davies said:

Me too. I think it is a U, no matter how I adjust the picture in picassa I still see the letter U. I cannot make it a letter H, which was my other thought. Here is a link to another picture of a car outside a Leeds hospital, 2nd Northern General Hospital. It looks to have the same start letter as the one in question. https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/haunted-history-former-leeds-war-hospital-595173

I think you might be on to something Bob. 

Beckett Park, Leeds, site of No.2 Northern General hospital. 

"At its height, the pioneering hospital was highly regarded for its work in orthopaedics, dentistry and plastic surgery as surgeons experimented on the vast range of challenging war wounds that were presented to them. Advances were made in artificial limb technology, and races were held in the grounds between men who had lost legs."

Edit: I see some Leeds venues have been discussed on page 1, but has anybody studied any old photos of them?

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Now then now then now then...

Wikipedia pic of Beckett Park (as previously mentioned by Michelle:

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Note the buildings on the right. Red brick, sort of mock Georgian/palladian, gabled roof  and distinctive arches and chimney stacks:

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The original photo, cropped, to show buildings in distance beyond car:

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51 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Now then now then now then...

Wikipedia pic of Beckett Park (as previously mentioned by Michelle:

Dai Bach y Sowldiwr, I think you have it there. It is a very close fit. Thanks for the pictures a great bit of working out. Courtesy of the Long Long Trail; 2nd Northern General. A TF General Hospital in Leeds. 60 officers and 2039 other ranks.
– included a 126 bed unit for limbless men domiciled in Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire and Rutland.  I have to find Edgar Pick Staffs Yeomanry on Ancestry again to see if there is an address for him.

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50 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

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The ramp has been added to enable access and green doors have replaced windows, apart from that, very very close and I believe a cigar!

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Thanks Bob.

The windows on the nearest gable end of the building on the left are an exact match, same number, same position and same number of panes, with the same keystone above each one.

The roofline of this gable is different I acknowledge, but I guess it's been re-done sometime in the last 100 years.

It's the same car too...
Oh no, it's a Jag...

These are the only 3 Edgar Picks born in England from 1873 to 1906:

Births Mar 1873   (>99%)
PICK  Edgar Tom    Southwell  7b 325  btnInfo.gif Scan available - click to view

Births Mar 1876   (>99%)
PICK  Edgar Ingram    Ecclesall B.  9c 335  btnInfo.gif Scan available - click to view

Births Jun 1891   (>99%)
Pick  Edgar    Bourn  7a 383  btnInfo.gif
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7 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

These are the only 3 Edgar Picks born in England from 1873 to 1906:

I believe this is our man; courtesy fold 3. Witham on hill, Bourne is in Lincolnshire.image.png.1748d4bb367ac1a071d27c670fd5feb4.png

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