thedawnpatrol Posted 14 January , 2022 Share Posted 14 January , 2022 Hi just looking at one of my Logbooks to A Chapman which covers the period August 1916 to May 1917, and covers his training. there are some interesting comments he has made, firstly the reference to Albert Ball, Crashed machine whilst taking off......but I'm presuming he does not refer to Ball regarding the 'to Hospital' but himself........ its a bit mixed up........he did not fly again until 10th May. But what happened to him after this ? any information or opinions much apreachated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 14 January , 2022 Share Posted 14 January , 2022 Hi Mr Patrol, Have you downloaded his service papers from the NA for free? - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8245563 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 14 January , 2022 Share Posted 14 January , 2022 Ex East Surrey rather than Sussex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawnpatrol Posted 14 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2022 8 minutes ago, charlie962 said: Ex East Surrey rather than Sussex? Yes of course too hasty to post ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 14 January , 2022 Share Posted 14 January , 2022 The RAF casualty card confirms it was Chapman that was 'wounded'. Took off crosswind and caught by a gust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawnpatrol Posted 14 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2022 1 hour ago, IPT said: Hi Mr Patrol, Have you downloaded his service papers from the NA for free? - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D8245563 Thank you IPT i had not seen that report, so that answers why he did no more flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 14 January , 2022 Share Posted 14 January , 2022 Ball was between tours at the time having already clocked up over 30 confirmed victories. He was dead four months later, with 44 confirmed victories. Good job it was only Chapman that was injured! Very few dual hours and five hours solo and already Chapman was being tested as a potential Scout pilot? Ball must have had nerves of steel to walk away from this sort of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawnpatrol Posted 14 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2022 Charlie, can you post his casualty card please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawnpatrol Posted 14 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2022 1 hour ago, charlie962 said: Ball was between tours at the time having already clocked up over 30 confirmed victories. He was dead four months later, with 44 confirmed victories. Good job it was only Chapman that was injured! Very few dual hours and five hours solo and already Chapman was being tested as a potential Scout pilot? Ball must have had nerves of steel to walk away from this sort of experience. Yes, it's food for thought that Chapman could have killed one of our greatest aces ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 15 January , 2022 Share Posted 15 January , 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, thedawnpatrol said: Charlie, can you post his casualty card please? http://www.rafmuseumstoryvault.org.uk/archive/chapman-a Hope link works. Edit- tested , link works. You will have to hover over the bottom right of the four cards presented to see details for Allan Chapman, 11th East Surreys. Note that in pencil it says Ball was uninjured thus no casualty card made out for him. Charlie Edited 15 January , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 15 January , 2022 Share Posted 15 January , 2022 Allan Chapman was born 18/3/1897. He was the adopted son of William H Chapman. After the war he became MP for Rutherglen from 1935 and during WW2 he was, after a period as assistant postmaster general, undersecretary of state for Scotland. He died 7/1/1966. You will find numerous press clippings for his later career. When he was elected MP, amongst his past career there was reference to him being invalided after crashing with Albert Ball as well as saying he became a home based night flying instructor involved with night aerial defence of London. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 15 January , 2022 Share Posted 15 January , 2022 (edited) Photo at nat portrait gallery 1945 https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait/mw122457/Allan-Chapman?LinkID=mp86404&role=sit&rNo=0 Edited 15 January , 2022 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawnpatrol Posted 15 January , 2022 Author Share Posted 15 January , 2022 Thank you Charlie, all very interesting and I really appreciate your help. cheers Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 15 January , 2022 Share Posted 15 January , 2022 I am not sure what you have already Nor what you might be after but I posted what I thought might be of general interest. From one or two articles I read about his character, I suspect he dined out more than once on the story of how he tried to kill Albert Ball. Thanks for sharing the extract and photos. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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