Private Edward Loughran 4916 Yorkshire Regiment 39445 Royal Defence Corps died 1.6.17

[Robuk88]

Good Morning troops,

 

I am doing some research into Private Edward Loughran his former number and regiment was 4916 Yorkshire Regiment he then transferred at some point and died as 39445 Royal Defence Corps. 

 

I know he's buried in Brotton Church Cemetery but i can't find his cause of death? 

 

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

[ss002d6252]

I can't see anything in the usual records regarding the cause - you might need the death certificate to say.

Craig

[Robuk88]

1 minute ago, ss002d6252 said:

I can't see anything in the usual records regarding the cause - you might need the death certificate to say.

Craig

Thank you Craig. Very much a novice at this. is this the best website to order one?

 

https://www.gov.uk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certificate

Cheers,
Rob

[ss002d6252]

Looking at surrounding men, it seems they may have been part of a bulk transfer from 4th Bn to the RDC in early Oct 1916.

Craig

[ss002d6252]

2 minutes ago, Robuk88 said:

https://www.gov.uk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certificate

Yes, that's the official site (other sites will charge you for a service that involves them just ordering it for you via this one).

When you order it, you can choose a PDF version, rather than a paper version, for a cheaper price.

Craig

[Robuk88]

Interesting so he was in the 4th Battalion of the Yorkshire Regiment before he transferred? 

 

I am getting this when searching Craig. Sorry i am a total novice at this but i don't seem to get any results.

Rob

[EDWARD1]

His soldiers effects. Is the cause Ulcer?

[ss002d6252]

I tried it and got this - don't put in North Yorkshire.

Craig
 

[Allan1892]

Edward's burial entry in church register attached (image courtesy of Find My Past)

1 minute ago, ss002d6252 said:

I tried it and got this - don't put in North Yorkshire.

Craig
 

Did the same search but the registration for this Edward was in the December quarter of 1917

Allan

[Allan1892]

Death registered as Edward LAUGHRAN in Newcastle. (image courtesy of Find My Past)

[Robuk88]

5 minutes ago, Allan1892 said:

Edward's burial entry in church register attached (image courtesy of Find My Past)

Did the same search but the registration for this Edward was in the December quarter of 1917

Allan

Wow thank for you this

On the death cert would it be the same person?

TOXTETH PARK seem a district in Liverpool but if you guys think it's him i will go ahead and order it :-)

7 minutes ago, EDWARD1 said:

His soldiers effects. Is the cause Ulcer?

You think it may been the result of an ulcer?

[Robuk88]

4 minutes ago, Allan1892 said:

Death registered as Edward LAUGHRAN in Newcastle. (image courtesy of Find My Past)

Wow an incredible find thank you so much. Is it likely his death cert with be spelt this way rather than Loughran? Thank you so much.

[ss002d6252]

3 minutes ago, Robuk88 said:

Wow an incredible find thank you so much. Is it likely his death cert with be spelt this way rather than Loughran? Thank you so much.

Wrong spellings are not uncommon (as are different ages etc). Sometimes it's a case of taking the best guess as to which one might be the right one - I would say the second one of the two would be the better one to try in this case.

Craig

[Allan1892]

Misspelling of surnames did occur (and still does at times) when deaths are registered. My 'gut feeling' is that this is your man, he is likely to have being receiving hospital treatment in the Newcastle area at one of the mant hospitals around at that time.

[Allan1892]

Edward is remembered on the Find A Grave web site

Flowers for Private Edward Loughran - Find A Grave Memorial

[RaySearching]

Rob

As an aside

The medal roll indicates that Edward first served with the 1/4 Bn Yorks in France between 10/6/1916 and 26/6/1916

The 4th battalion Yorks between the above dates were in trenches at Kemmel and Kemmel Shelters being subjected to hostile shelling ,trench mortaring and gas attacks a number of officers and ordinary ranks of the battalion killed and wounded during this period

I suspect that Edward was wounded during this period of fighting and evacuated home. His name may be  listed on a casualty list somewhere

I note that Edwards medals were sold on Ebay on the 21st December 2021  for the princely sum of £71.00

His medals would have been impressed with the 4 Yorks the first unit he served with in France

Did you buy them?

 

Ray

Edited 29 December , 2021 by RaySearching
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[Robuk88]

19 hours ago, RaySearching said:

Rob

As an aside

The medal roll indicates that Edward first served with the 1/4 Bn Yorks in France between 10/6/1916 and 26/6/1916

The 4th battalion Yorks between the above dates were in trenches at Kemmel and Kemmel Shelters being subjected to hostile shelling ,trench mortaring and gas attacks a number of officers and ordinary ranks of the battalion killed and wounded during this period

I suspect that Edward was wounded during this period of fighting and evacuated home. His name may be  listed on a casualty list somewhere

I note that Edwards medals were sold on Ebay on the 21st December 2021  for the princely sum of £71.00

His medals would have been impressed with the 4 Yorks the first unit he served with in France

Did you buy them?

 

Ray

Hello Ray,

 

Thank you for the information. Yes bought them i usually visit the battlefields but with covid and the hassle of travelling etc i took up this new hobby and with him been a home burial i will be visiting his grave with the medals. I am based in West Yorkshire and have done this with 4 Leeds burials and 1 in Manchester so far. The research isn't easy i've paid for a few of the sites Ancestry, Find my Past and Forces War Records but a total novice to this and learning everyday.

Interesting about been at Kemmel as i visited in 2017 and i did wonder if he ended up in the Defence Corps due to some war related condition. Thank you Ray for this much appreciated.

Rob

[Robuk88]

Thank you for all your input everyone. It looks as though due to the potential misspelling of Edwards surname that's what could be making the cause of death difficult to narrow down. I will try do some searches. I appreciate you all :-) thank you.

[Robuk88]

The medals that belong to our man.

[charlie962]

30 minutes ago, Robuk88 said:

medals that belong to our man.

Ribbons need to be switched over!

 

[Robuk88]

2 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

Ribbons need to be switched over!

 

Good call. The only thing is they came like this and usually i like to keep them how they came. The main reason been i wonder if his family had them like this and remembered him this way (rightly or wrongly).

[charlie962]

I suspect you are right in your thoughts. The ribbons, clearly original, look to have been in place a long time. I'm sure it was a common mistake.

Charlie

[exXIX]

From Forces War records, it says he died at home, was this from injuries or illness do you think?

[Robuk88]

12 hours ago, exXIX said:

From Forces War records, it says he died at home, was this from injuries or illness do you think?

I am not sure :-( that's why i am trying to pin down but with the surname been spelt differently on databases it's making it difficult :-( i tried to contact a Brotton History group to see if there's a cemetery friends group or if someone on there would know too. I am planning on visiting him in the New Year so it will be interesting to know.

[EDWARD1]

Died at home generally means not in service abroad, hence burial in UK.