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Charles Roswell Lawrence MM- Royal Irish Rifles no 9876


Maureen Hurst

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I discovered this information by chance and so far have not been able to find out anything more about this persons military career  , why he won the MM  or anything else. apart from the medal cards which say he was in the 1st Batt  and a Sergeant on the MM card  and on the 2nd he was a bugler and got the Victory , British and Star Medals.. His middle name was not shown on the cards.

Thank you for any help

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WFA/Fold 3 have a Pension Index Card:

LAWRENCE, Charles. R I Rifles 9876, R Ulster Rifles, 7006501, Sgt, CSM

That later seven-digit number, 7006501, might mean he served after the war and that he still has some surviving service records at the MoD [or perhaps currently en-route to the National Archives I believe] https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records/apply-for-someone-elses-records = £££ and a long wait I understand.

:-) M

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I didn't know about the other Ulster Rifles card, he didn't die until 1962 in Blackpool so he may have stayed on after the war. He married in 1924 in County Durham .

 

Thank you

Maureen

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Do you have his MM or are you related to him?

A Charles Lawrence is on the 1911 census for 47 Jocelyn St., Dundalk aged 17 - a printer's compositor - 'born Newry, Co. Armagh'.

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Born 2 Barrack Street, Newry 27th March 1894 (irishgenealogy.ie) - father a colour Sergeant with the RIR at the time:

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His MM Index Card shows a schedule no. of 204478: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6185383

His MM award may get a mention in the War Diary around August-September 1918: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7354020

EDIT: It was awarded with others in September 1918, probably for the Battle of Amiens which finished early September:

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From my database:

Lawrence 2/9876 CSM Charles Roswell MM. Born at 2 Barrack Street, Newry, Co. Armagh, 27.3.1894, the son of 1008 Colour-Sgt Joseph John Valentine Lawrence, 1st and 6th RIR (served 1884–1907), and Emily Jane Lawrence née Bridle. Church of England. Siblings born: Valentine John Frederick 8.9.1892, William James 4.6.1896, Joseph Henry 30.9.1904, Edward 1.8.1906, and Emily 10.2.1909. In 1901 his mother, born at Newington, Surrey, was at 36 Barrack Street, Dundalk. The 1911 Census shows the family at 47 Jocelyn Street, Dundalk. His father, born in St Mary Abbots, Kensington, London, was an Army pensioner. Charles was then a printer, compositor. Enlisted in the Regular Army 30.12.1911 and served initially as a Bugler. On leave as a Rfn from F Coy 15.1–25.2.1913. Bn Orders No. 60 dated 11.3.1913 stated that he was to be employed in the Regimental Printing Office. On furlough 14–22.6.1913. Rated 2nd Class in his Musketry Certification 13.6.1913. On furlough 14–23.8.1913. On furlough from B Coy 1.12.1913 to 13.1.1914. To BEF with 2nd RIR 14.8.1914. Shell wound right knee 24.9.1914. Admitted to the American Women’s War Relief Hospital, Paignton, 27.9.1914. Rejoined 2nd RIR 19.5.1915. GSW mouth 23.10.1916. GSW left arm 2.8.1917. Later posted to 1st RIR as a/CSM. Awarded the Military Medal: Authority 10th Corps RO No. 2726 dated 20.9.1918, London Gazette 11.8.1919. Re-engaged at Mouscron 8.1.1919. Returned to UK 2.4.1919. Dundalk Democrat, 21.6.1919: ‘At the Military Barracks on Thursday, Brigadier-General Hacket Pain decorated Sergeant Chas Lawrence, RIR, son of ex-Quartermaster Sergeant Lawrence with the Military Medal and the Mons Star. In the official despatch the awards were given for most conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty in the attack near Neuve Eglise on September 9, 1918. When without an officer he led his platoon to their objective using his Lewis guns very effectively. Later in the evening he did good work in stopping a counter attack by the enemy … His eldest brother was recently decorated with the DCM.’ Number changed to 7006501. His mother died from breast cancer at Barrack Street, Dundalk, 5.9.1922, and his father, a fishmonger, died from V.D.H. 6.11.1922. Married Sarah Innes at Newcastle, 5.7.1924. Colour-Sgt, 2nd RUR, 13.1.1927. He was CQMS with B Coy, 1st RUR, in 1928. CSM, C Coy, 10.12.1929. LS & GC Medal 2.8.1930. Daughter Eva Margaret born at Poona, 25.8.1930, but died at Madras 19.4.1931. Returned to UK 21.10.1931. Discharged 27.11.1931. Character exemplary. Quis Separabit 1932: ‘It is good news to hear that CSM C.R. Lawrence mm  is now a commissionaire with William Deacon’s Bank Ltd., at Blackpool.’ The 1939 Register shows him at 25 Heathway Avenue, Blackpool, Lancashire. He was then a commissionaire and bank messenger. Also present was his wife and son Charles Ronald, born 9.11.1932. Died at Blackpool 15.1.1962. Effects of £1,991/10/5 left to his widow at Heathwell Avenue.

   Of his brothers: 9646 CSM Valentine J.F. Lawrence dcm, enlisted 1911, DCM with 7th RIR, later served as 512,015 with the Chinese Labour Corps, and 1st RUR; 7006463 Colour-Sgt, B Coy, 2nd RUR; CSM 29.12.1924; LS & GC Medal 2.8.1930; Retired in 1932 and died in 1935. 7009398 Sgt Joseph H. Lawrence enlisted in 1st RUR 19.7.1923 and was discharged 14.10.1937 having also served with RIF and R Inniskilling Fusiliers. 8925 Pte William J. Lawrence served with 14th General Hospital, RAMC, from 15.8.1914 and was discharged as being no longer physically fit for war service 11.8.1919.

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Thank you so much for all that information, I had no idea why he won the Military Medal or that he was still in the army when he married Sarah Innes in 1924 . The civil index says they married in Houghton Le Spring in County Durham which was where Sarah lived. It would be interesting to know how they met..... She was from quite a large a mining family who had been there for at least 50 years

I assume you must have seen a copy of the marriage cert. as you have the precise date of the wedding.

Would you mind if I passed all this information on to a gentleman called Andrew Thornton he is compiling a register of 'Chums of the old Contemptable Association' and it was through his book called "Before We Fade" part two,(part of it was online) that  I found the first information that Charles Roswell Lawrence had the MM, it gave his regiments name and number, and the fact that he was a member of the Blackpool & District Branch of the Old Contemptables Association and the date of  his death.

Thank you and everyone on this very helpful website.

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On 10/12/2021 at 16:37, Jimmy Taylor said:

From my database:

Lawrence 2/9876 CSM Charles Roswell MM. Born at 2 Barrack Street, Newry, Co. Armagh, 27.3.1894, the son of 1008 Colour-Sgt Joseph John Valentine Lawrence, 1st and 6th RIR (served 1884–1907), and Emily Jane Lawrence née Bridle. Church of England. Siblings born: Valentine John Frederick 8.9.1892, William James 4.6.1896, Joseph Henry 30.9.1904, Edward 1.8.1906, and Emily 10.2.1909. In 1901 his mother, born at Newington, Surrey, was at 36 Barrack Street, Dundalk. The 1911 Census shows the family at 47 Jocelyn Street, Dundalk. His father, born in St Mary Abbots, Kensington, London, was an Army pensioner. Charles was then a printer, compositor. Enlisted in the Regular Army 30.12.1911 and served initially as a Bugler. On leave as a Rfn from F Coy 15.1–25.2.1913. Bn Orders No. 60 dated 11.3.1913 stated that he was to be employed in the Regimental Printing Office. On furlough 14–22.6.1913. Rated 2nd Class in his Musketry Certification 13.6.1913. On furlough 14–23.8.1913. On furlough from B Coy 1.12.1913 to 13.1.1914. To BEF with 2nd RIR 14.8.1914. Shell wound right knee 24.9.1914. Admitted to the American Women’s War Relief Hospital, Paignton, 27.9.1914. Rejoined 2nd RIR 19.5.1915. GSW mouth 23.10.1916. GSW left arm 2.8.1917. Later posted to 1st RIR as a/CSM. Awarded the Military Medal: Authority 10th Corps RO No. 2726 dated 20.9.1918, London Gazette 11.8.1919. Re-engaged at Mouscron 8.1.1919. Returned to UK 2.4.1919. Dundalk Democrat, 21.6.1919: ‘At the Military Barracks on Thursday, Brigadier-General Hacket Pain decorated Sergeant Chas Lawrence, RIR, son of ex-Quartermaster Sergeant Lawrence with the Military Medal and the Mons Star. In the official despatch the awards were given for most conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty in the attack near Neuve Eglise on September 9, 1918. When without an officer he led his platoon to their objective using his Lewis guns very effectively. Later in the evening he did good work in stopping a counter attack by the enemy … His eldest brother was recently decorated with the DCM.’ Number changed to 7006501. His mother died from breast cancer at Barrack Street, Dundalk, 5.9.1922, and his father, a fishmonger, died from V.D.H. 6.11.1922. Married Sarah Innes at Newcastle, 5.7.1924. Colour-Sgt, 2nd RUR, 13.1.1927. He was CQMS with B Coy, 1st RUR, in 1928. CSM, C Coy, 10.12.1929. LS & GC Medal 2.8.1930. Daughter Eva Margaret born at Poona, 25.8.1930, but died at Madras 19.4.1931. Returned to UK 21.10.1931. Discharged 27.11.1931. Character exemplary. Quis Separabit 1932: ‘It is good news to hear that CSM C.R. Lawrence mm  is now a commissionaire with William Deacon’s Bank Ltd., at Blackpool.’ The 1939 Register shows him at 25 Heathway Avenue, Blackpool, Lancashire. He was then a commissionaire and bank messenger. Also present was his wife and son Charles Ronald, born 9.11.1932. Died at Blackpool 15.1.1962. Effects of £1,991/10/5 left to his widow at Heathwell Avenue.

   Of his brothers: 9646 CSM Valentine J.F. Lawrence dcm, enlisted 1911, DCM with 7th RIR, later served as 512,015 with the Chinese Labour Corps, and 1st RUR; 7006463 Colour-Sgt, B Coy, 2nd RUR; CSM 29.12.1924; LS & GC Medal 2.8.1930; Retired in 1932 and died in 1935. 7009398 Sgt Joseph H. Lawrence enlisted in 1st RUR 19.7.1923 and was discharged 14.10.1937 having also served with RIF and R Inniskilling Fusiliers. 8925 Pte William J. Lawrence served with 14th General Hospital, RAMC, from 15.8.1914 and was discharged as being no longer physically fit for war service 11.8.1919.

Splendid research Jimmy.

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On 11/12/2021 at 13:08, Maureen Hurst said:

Thank you so much for all that information, I had no idea why he won the Military Medal or that he was still in the army when he married Sarah Innes in 1924 . The civil index says they married in Houghton Le Spring in County Durham which was where Sarah lived. It would be interesting to know how they met..... She was from quite a large a mining family who had been there for at least 50 years

I assume you must have seen a copy of the marriage cert. as you have the precise date of the wedding.

Would you mind if I passed all this information on to a gentleman called Andrew Thornton he is compiling a register of 'Chums of the old Contemptable Association' and it was through his book called "Before We Fade" part two,(part of it was online) that  I found the first information that Charles Roswell Lawrence had the MM, it gave his regiments name and number, and the fact that he was a member of the Blackpool & District Branch of the Old Contemptables Association and the date of  his death.

Thank you and everyone on this very helpful website.

Hi Maureen, Feel free to pass it on but let him know the source.

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