lieut hubert henry phillips died of wounds help please

[weshallremember]

good evening

looking for any information

on lieutenant h h phillips  wounded in november 1914 i understand

leicestershire regiment

invalided back to uk

what wounds ????

also wounded in september 1915

thanks

trevor

[Matlock1418]

Is this perhaps your man?  https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/539322/H H PHILLIPS

LIEUTENANT H H PHILLIPS

Regiment & Unit/Ship: Leicestershire Regiment, 7th Bn. attd. 3rd Bn.

Date of Death: Died 04 October 1915

Buried or commemorated at: MERVILLE COMMUNAL CEMETERY V. B. 20. France

???

:-) M

 

Note: The CWGC's GRRF records: 3/att./2/Leicesters

 

Edit:

This seems likely to be him commissioning:

The undermentioned Cadets and ex-Cadets of the Officers Training Corps to be Second Lieutenants (on probation). Dated 15th August, 1914: —

...  Hubert Henry Phillips, 3rd Battalion, Leicester Regiment.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28894/page/7101

And promoting:

3rd Battalion, The Leicestershire Regiment, ...  The undermentioned Second Lieutenants to be Lieutenants: — Dated 8th March, 1915 ... Hubert H. Phillips

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29151/supplement/4252

And his b/w MIC at the National Archives:

H H Phillips, 2nd Lt. 3rd Bn., Leicester R. and Lt. 2nd Bn., LR

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D4624047

Also in colour with further info on the back at Ancestry

Edited 16 April , 2021 by Matlock1418
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[weshallremember]

yes thats him

cwgc error has him as 7th atten 3rd leicesters

should be 3rd atten 2nd leicesters 

[Matlock1418]

National Archives seem to have his Officers Papers under

Herbert Henry PHILLIPS

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1067986

:-) M

Edited 16 April , 2021 by Matlock1418

[Bob Davies]

Hi Trevor, I have found a Lieutenant H H Phillips, (joined them in July 1915) 2nd Battalion Leicestershire regt. Wounded 24th September 1915. I presume he must have died of wounds sustained then? Regards, Bob.

Edited 16 April , 2021 by Bob Davies

[weshallremember]

yes thats him

died of wounds received  on the 25th sept at loo's

died on 4th oct .

i was told he was also wounded in nov 1914 and sent back to uk

and seems he re-joined about june 1915

but cant find anything about that

[Swinesheadvillage]

Hi

 

FMP has a record of his wounding admitted to Queen Alexandra's, Millbank, on 26th Nov 1914, injury described as GSW foot. Discharged 7th Dec to 'Mrs Fleming's'. His unit is described as 3rd Battalion, Leicestershire,

 

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2%2FGBM%2FMH106%2FMH106-1656%2F0034&parentid=GBM%2FMH106%2FP2%2F509583

 

Herts at War states his wound occurred near Armentieres on 13th Nov 1914, so if correct, possibly attached 1st or 2nd Battalion..

 

http://www.hertsatwar.co.uk/biographies/680424/hubert-henry-phillips

 

Hope this helps

 

Kind Regards

 

Derek

 

Edited 17 April , 2021 by Swinesheadvillage
Update

[weshallremember]

there were 207 men of the 2nd leicesters killed in action on 25th sept 1915

where lieut  hurbert henry phillips was wounded

a diversionary attack nr loos'

the brigadier general in command surname was blackader

 the cwgc has him down as 7th attached to 3rd in error 

he was 3rd attached to 2nd,

 

[Bob Davies]

On 18/04/2021 at 00:37, weshallremember said:

there were 207 men of the 2nd leicesters killed in action on 25th sept 1915

where lieut  hurbert henry phillips was wounded

a diversionary attack nr loos'

Hello all, here is a link to where the action took place, a trench map courtesy of the National Library of Scotland. Also a paragraph to show what the objectives were. The names of places/trenches mentioned are all on the map. Just to the North of Neuve Chapelle. The paragraph (Page 137) is from 'History of the 1st and 2nd Battalions The Leicestershire Regiment in he Great War'. Written by Colonel H. C. Wylly. CB.  Lt H H Philips is mentioned on the previous page as being 'C' company. Regards, Bob.  https://maps.nls.uk/view/101464978

 

[Bob Davies]

On 18/04/2021 at 00:37, weshallremember said:

the brigadier general in command surname was blackader

Hi Trevor, these are the only references to Lt H. H. Phillips I have found so far. If they don't load in order I am sure you will work out the order. page 135, two views of page 136, page 139 and 40. Regards, Bob. PS; Click on each part and they show up ok.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[weshallremember]

a picture of the man himself

 

[Matlock1418]

On 16/04/2021 at 19:23, weshallremember said:

h h phillips

 

On 16/04/2021 at 20:57, Matlock1418 said:

Hubert Henry Phillips {London Gazette]

 

On 16/04/2021 at 21:41, Matlock1418 said:

Herbert Henry PHILLIPS [Service Papers description at TNA]

 

17 hours ago, weshallremember said:

hurbert henry phillips

weshallremember,

Have you worked out the correct spelling of his first forename?

:-) M

[weshallremember]

seems to be hubert henry phillps

but as you know there were many spelling errors during ww1

[weshallremember]

HUBERT HENRY PHILLIPS 1893-1915

Hubert attended Hertford Grammar School from 1905-1912.

He was Captain of cricket and football, and was also Head Boy.

His father was a clerk.

He lived at Roe Green in Hatfield.

He left school to become an accountant.

He was a Lieutenant in the 7th Leicestershire Regiment.

Hubert died of wounds on active service at Loos, France, on the 14th November 1915, aged 22.

He is buried in the Merville Communal Cemetery, France, Plot 5, Row B, Grave 20.

ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE HIS REGIMENT AND DATE OF DEATH WRONG

[weshallremember]

MERVILLE COMMUNAL CEMETERY V. B. 20.
Hertford Grammar Memorial - now Richard Hale School, Hertford. Hatfield War Memorial. His father was William John Phillips, recorded as a Clerk and home was Roe Green, Hatfield. Hubert was born on 10th Sept 1893. He attended Hertford (Hale's) Grammar from 26th January 1905 to 30th July 1912. Captain of the cricket and football teams, head of school (1911-12) and was Colour Serjeant in the OTC. When he left school, he worked as an accountant

[weshallremember]

 

last piece of the jigsaw puzzle

i assume he was with the 2nd leicesters when wounded in november 1914

gsw to foot

spent time in queen alexanders military hospital london

then returned to 2nd leicesters  july 1915

thanks to everyone for the help

special thanks to bob

[weshallremember]

does anyone know if his service records survived on ancestry

[Matlock1418]

1 hour ago, weshallremember said:

does anyone know if his service records survived on ancestry

Don't think so as an officer.

See my previous post - probably his papers at TNA - currently described as Herbert Henry Phillips

:-) M

[Bob Davies]

On 17/04/2021 at 11:06, weshallremember said:

died of wounds received  on the 25th sept at loo's

Hello all' this is a link to a book mentioned in 'History of the 1st and 2nd Battalions The Leicestershire Regiment in he Great War'. Written by Colonel H. C. Wylly. CB. It describes the action on 25th Sept 1915 and shows a map, which give an idea of who was where. Starts at chapter XVIII page 245.  It is free to view and gives a good account of the Indian Army Corps in France. Regards, Bob.  https://archive.org/details/withindiansinfra00will/page/2/mode/2up

Edited 18 April , 2021 by Bob Davies

[weshallremember]

as he was a Second Lieutenants (on probation)

when he was wounded in november 1914

if i guess right that would mean he was a nco casualty

[Bob Davies]

1 hour ago, weshallremember said:

as he was a Second Lieutenants (on probation)

when he was wounded in november 1914

if i guess right that would mean he was a nco casualty

That I do not know Trevor. If he is not mentioned in the war diary and not mentioned in these other accounts, then it must be that or some other reason. There is  another account called 'The Indian Corps in France' by Lt Colonel Merewether and Sir Frederick Smith. I can't get the link to work to share it however. At a  cursory glance he is not mentioned there either. Have you looked for him in casualty lists at the National Archives. I believe that a lot of the Leicester regiments details survived being burnt. Also newspapers from the time? Regards, Bob.

[Matlock1418]

2 hours ago, weshallremember said:

as he was a Second Lieutenants (on probation)

when he was wounded in november 1914

if i guess right that would mean he was a nco casualty

A 2nd Lt (on probation) is a 2nd Lt = an Officer [First LG entry - If he had been a NCO then his Regtl. no. would typically be printed - he seems to have come from an OTC, 15th August, 1914]

Commission as 2nd Lt typically confirmed shortly after / c. 6 Months. [Commonly an officer's second LG entry].

Typically 2nd Lt to Lt after 18 months [but at the time I guess needs must and perhaps just skipped the wait - perhaps due to his character and competence ??]

:-) M

Edited 18 April , 2021 by Matlock1418
punctuation

[weshallremember]

i was just fishing to find out why he was not mentioned as wounded in the war diary nov 1914

g s w to the foot.

but is when wounded in sept 1915

[Bob Davies]

15 hours ago, weshallremember said:

i was just fishing to find out why he was not mentioned as wounded in the war diary nov 1914

g s w to the foot.

but is when wounded in sept 1915

Reading through  'The Indian Corps in France' by Lt Colonel Merewether and Sir Frederick Smith. I cannot find a mention of Lt Phillips. However it says there were 148 British officers wounded up to Dec 31st 1914. (NOT BY NAMES)  Some are named in the text  but nowhere near 148. So it would seem that all officers that were wounded are not listed and one would suppose the same in the 2nd Leicesters war diary. I will let you know when I work out a more exact location as to where he may have been fighting at the time. Regards, Bob.

[weshallremember]

good afternoon

lieutenant hubert henry phillips  attached to 2nd battalion leicestershire  regiment

got a lot of information on my previous topic about h h phillips  in april

now just trying to find out where he might have been after getting wounded at loo's on 25th september 1915

and until his death on 4th october ??????

cant seem to find any details

thanks

trevor