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I can't sleep and for some reason the 1921 census popped into my head.

Here are some links on what is known about it to date. Feel free to add to. 

 

1921 Census England and Wales: general report with appendices (1927)

https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/census/report/EW1921GEN

 

Preliminary report, England and Wales, 1921 (Cmd. 1485)

https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/census/EW1921PRE/1

 

County Reports

 https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/census/report/EW1921COU?show=DB

 

The English Census of 1921

Edith Abbott 

 Journal of Political Economy ,  Dec., 1922,  Vol. 30, No. 6 (Dec., 1922), pp. 827-840  https://www.jstor.org/stable/1822472

No time to read it in full, but fascinating to get a contemporary and an American view. 

 

  Importance of the 1921 Census. The Hospital vol. 69,1808 (1921): 411.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5257825/?page=1

 

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/blog/family-records/1921-census
(Niall Cullen, 27 February 2019)

See also: https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1921-census

 

https://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/feature/when-will-the-1921-census-be-available/

(By Rosemary Collins Published: May 6, 2021)

Mentions the R.A.F. "It was also the first time the RAF had been included in the census so it includes RAF staff in overseas stations"

Also mentions questions dropped as well as new ones.

New: Your questions answered about the 1921 census

(By Sarah Williams Published December 14, 2021)

https://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/feature/your-questions-answered-about-the-1921-census/

Mentions links to maps etc.

https://www.thegenealogist.co.uk/census/1921/

1921 UK Census Substitute Collection page extensive list of official 1921 Census Fields and Instructions.


https://www.familyhistory.co.uk/census-records/1921-census/

Extensive list of 1921 Census questions; sections on the effects of the delayed 1921 census, and some statistics and sources.

 

https://www.family-tree.co.uk/how-to-guides/a-look-ahead-to-the-release-of-the-1921-census-for-the-uk/

(30 March 2020)

Lists new questions.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1921_United_Kingdom_census

 

https://ukcensusonline.com/census/1921/
Useful summary of news items from 1921.

 

Webinars:

Early 2021 events: See https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20s-people/whats-on/

Scotland:

*Preliminary Report of the thirteenth Census of Scotland 1921 (Cmd.1473)

https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/census/report/S1921PRE?show=DB

 

Northern Ireland:

See 1926 Census - Reports

https://www.nisra.gov.uk/publications/1926-census-reports

 

Updated with additional resources and links.

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Thanks. Some interesting links there. I notice that the FMP FAQ says about cost that 'The price of accessing record images and transcripts will be announced nearer to the date of release.' I wonder if this an additional cost to current subscribers (a la Fold 3), or just the price of admission to FMP Pro?

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£2.50 for every record transcript and £3.50 for every original record image.

Not cheap.

Craig

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My Ancestry subscription expires towards the end of December. I have already ensured the renewal is off by cancelling, so I will wait to see what "offers" land in my email inbox. Then decide which site to go with, either back with them or switch to FMP again.

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I received an email today from Findmypast with links to https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1921-census saying 

Launch date: 6 January 2022

Prices as quoted above, but "For all 12-month Pro subscribers, there will be a 10% discount on any 1921 Census purchases".

Also with a link to a YouTube video from Findmypast  "How we digitised the 1921 Census"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdkpePDervc

Maureen

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27 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said:

Not cheap.

Craig

Is that just for looking or downloading a printable version?

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1 minute ago, jonbem said:

Is that just for looking or downloading a printable version?

I don't think they place any restrictions on downloading etc.

Craig

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The 1911 Census first appeared online in 2010 or even 2009, after a FOI request.

It first appeared on FMP, and later on Ancestry.
I can't see it mentioned anywhere when or if Ancestry are going to publish this one. Later, much later probably

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Thank you for the update, Maureen.

There seems to have been a flurry of coverage in the last 24 hours.

Some sneak peek headlines, blogs and podcasts:

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/sneak-peek-of-1921-census-released-ahead-of-january-publication-40987842.html

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/middlesex-hayes-england-spanish-national-archives-b962674.html

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-10-26/sneak-peek-of-1921-census-released-ahead-of-january-publication

 

On the Record at the National Archives podcasts - d. 27/10/2021

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/on-the-record-at-the-national-archives/id1460242815

See also:  Counting down to the 1921 Censushttps://media.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php/counting-down-to-the-1921-census

 

Also of interest:

‘Surplus Women’: a legacy of World War One?

http://ww1centenary.oucs.ox.ac.uk/unconventionalsoldiers/‘surplus-women’-a-legacy-of-world-war-one/

 

Why publication of the 1921 census will matter to labour historians

https://sslh.org.uk/2021/10/01/why-publication-of-the-1921-census-will-matter-to-labour-historians/

 

Walford, N. S., 2019. Bringing historical British Population Census records into the 21st century: a method for geocoding households and individuals at their early-20th-century addresses. Population, Space and Place, 25(4), pp.1544-844.

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/162921381.pdf  / https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/psp.2227

 

Duke-Williams, O.W., 2017. A history of census-taking in the UK. In: Stillwell, J, (ed.) The Routledge handbook of census resources, methods and applications unlocking the UK 2011 census. Routledge: London, 2017. 

 https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/10024635/1/census-book-chapter2.pdf
 

 

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Just now, sadbrewer said:

Bloody expensive would be my description....I shall be using it extremely sparingly.

I think it will be a while before most people use it. The 1911 one never really took off until it dropped in the normal package.

Craig

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1 hour ago, tootrock said:

Will there be free access for personal visitors to the National Archives?

Martin

Anyone will be able to view the images of the 1921 Census of England and Wales for free online at The National Archives upon release on 6 January 2022 (00:01 GMT). The original paper census returns will not be available in the reading rooms.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1921-census?utm_source=tna&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=1921

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9 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Anyone will be able to view the images of the 1921 Census of England and Wales for free online at The National Archives upon release on 6 January 2022 (00:01 GMT). The original paper census returns will not be available in the reading rooms.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1921-census?utm_source=tna&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=1921

So, FMP will charge but the NA will be free ?

Craig

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Hmmm? Seems to conflict

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Does that mean on the National Archives internal intranet/internet link to FMP so you have to be at Kew? Or can I view from home?

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You have to be at The National Archives and you will go through FMP to see the census.  If you go to Kew now you can view for free any of the records they have released to genealogical websites.  I’m sure I looked at 1911 census like this when it first came out, as well as doing pay per view at home.

Mandy 

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8 minutes ago, mandy hall said:

You have to be at The National Archives and you will go through FMP to see the census.  If you go to Kew now you can view for free any of the records they have released to genealogical websites.  I’m sure I looked at 1911 census like this when it first came out, as well as doing pay per view at home.

Mandy 

So no remote access via the website if you can't get to Kew ?

Craig

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Yes, you have to physically be at Kew.  
So unless Kew is on your doorstep, it could be very expensive.

Mandy

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14 minutes ago, mandy hall said:

Yes, you have to physically be at Kew.  
So unless Kew is on your doorstep, it could be very expensive.

Mandy

Aye - too far from Gateshead for me !

Craig

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2 hours ago, mandy hall said:

If you go to Kew now you can view for free any of the records they have released to genealogical websites.

Also worth re-iterating that at Kew you could also see and download for free anything that's been digitised by them, war diaries etc.
Of course  everything is free online at the moment, but that will come to an end.....one day...

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On 28/09/2021 at 01:18, RedCoat said:

My main interest in the 1921 Census will be for troops stationed in Ireland during the War of Independence. Happy to pay for FMP Pro to access that.

But will the troops & other crown forces stationed in Ireland be included in the census? 

There was no civilian census in Ireland in 1921 for obvious reasons. 

Even if the military were included the census, there is a strong chance the names are obfuscated. Much of the military personnel in the 1911 Irish census are identified only by their initials. 

It would be very interesting if they were included. 
 

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42 minutes ago, Jervis said:

But will the troops & other crown forces stationed in Ireland be included in the census? 
 

I think it is unlikely.

From the Findmypast link, under Frequently asked questions:

"Why does the 1921 Census not include Scotland and Northern Ireland?"

"In Scotland, National Records of Scotland takes responsibility for historical census data. NRS will be releasing their indexed images of 1921 Census returns for Scotland on www.scotlandspeople.gov.ukand in the ScotlandsPeople Centre in the latter half of 2022. 

As with Scotland, Ireland and Northern Ireland conducted their own censuses separate from England and Wales. However, The 1921 Census was not taken in Ireland due to the Irish War of Independence. Censuses in Ireland and Northern Ireland were conducted in 1926. "

 

Regarding payment, under " Is there any way I can view the 1921 Census for free?" 

Anyone will be able to view the digital images of the 1921 Census of England and Wales for free on the premises at The National Archives at Kew upon release on 6 January 2022 (00:01 GMT).... Searching the 1921 Census will be free on Findmypast but viewing any images or transcriptions will be on a pay-per-view basis using Findmypast micropayments. 

 

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