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Hi,  I have a great uncle, Morgan Edward Clark, 1st/13th Kensingtons, service number 6414, he was KIA on the 6th of October 1916.  On his medal card there two dates, "1-9-1616  to  6-10-1916".  The 2nd date is quite obvious but I would like to know for sure what the first date is telling me.  Appreciate any info.  Thanks

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Unusual to see an entry date for a soldier on a mic after 31.12.15

it’s usually only officers

 

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25 minutes ago, Coldstreamer said:

Unusual to see an entry date for a soldier on a mic after 31.12.15

it’s usually only officers

The London Regiment medal rolls are excellent for showing dates in theatre. 

 

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I was only referring to mic as mentioned by OP

You are correct that some regiments are excellent compared to others ; coldstream guards don’t even give a battalion 

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10 hours ago, Coldstreamer said:

I was only referring to mic as mentioned by OP

Yes, I agree, your comment regarding the MICs is perfectly correct.

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So now I know when Morgan Clark joined the Kensingtons in France.  Can anybody help with information about his enlistment.  Searched the National Archive's but the only thing that comes up is this medal information.  I do know that he was visiting family in South Africa in December of 1914.  That suggests that he enlisted some time between January 1915 and May 2016, assuming he was sent to France straight from his 3 months of basic training.

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Hi Lexus,

7 hours ago, Lexus said:

Can anybody help with information about his enlistment. 

I can't give you an enlistment date, but it looks likely that he was part of a draft of men who were sent from the 3/8 Middlesex Regiment (being enlisted/called up on various dates) and were posted to the 1/13 Battalion London Regiment once they had arrived in France.

There are some surviving papers for men that served with the 1/13 Bn who had near numbers. They show:

6402/493206 Baker (previously #6072  3/8 Middlesex Regiment). Left Southampton on 31.8.1916. Arrived at Le Havre and 7 Infantry Base Depot on 1.9.1916, and transferred to 1/13 London Regiment on 16.9.1916.

6406/493210 Hoare (previously #6406 3/8 Middlesex Regiment). Left Southampton on 31.8.1916. Arrived at Le Havre and 7 Infantry Base Depot on 1.9.1916, and transferred to 1/13 London Regiment on 16.9.1916.

6414

6415/493217 Combley (previously #4319  3/8 Middlesex Regiment). Left Southampton on 31.8.1916. Arrived at Le Havre and 7 Infantry Base Depot on 1.9.1916, and transferred to 1/13 London Regiment on 16.9.1916.

6419/493221 Edgington (previously #4111  3/8 Middlesex Regiment). 

6446/49328 Papworth (previously #6133  3/8 Middlesex Regiment). Left Southampton on 31.8.1916. Arrived at Le Havre and 7 Infantry Base Depot on 1.9.1916, and transferred to 1/13 London Regiment on 16.9.1916.

Regards
Chris

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Hi Chris,

Brilliant.  What you have given me confirms an Ancestry entry - https://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1543&h=615098&ssrc=pt&tid=69621608&pid=46402200989&usePUB=true

There is a comment, I don't know here it came from, Ancestry or a user input, but there is a reference to the 8th Middx. Regt. with a service number of 6715

Would appreciate any info you may have on that number.  I did plug it in to the NA's but it came up blank.

Thanks

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Hi,

Soldiers Died says he enlisted in Fulham, and that he was previously #6715 in the 8th Bn Middlesex Regiment.

Soldiers Effects says that he was in 'C' Company at the time of his death. It also names his sole legatee. What was accepted as being his associated Will is available from here. It may only consist of a very few words though, and would arrive as a low resolution B&W scan attached as a pdf to an email. Whilst probably not mentioning him by name, his overseas service should be covered in this free download. It might also be worth getting the Brigade HQ And Division HQ (General Staff) war diaries, as they will add more context to the Battalion diary. All are free after registration. The National Archives search page is here.

I'm having a bit of a problem trying to date his Middlesex number at the moment. I seem to be getting some inconsistencies when comparing to other near number Middlesex men. 

Regards
Chris

 

 

 

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Hi Chris,

I have all of that information but thanks for the confirmation.  One thing I haven't been able to find are the diaries of the 168th Brigade, found the 169th on the NA's but there does not seem to be a record for the either the 167th or 168th

Thanks

Frank

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Hi Frank,

For October 1916 the 168 Brigade HQ diary is here, and the 56 Division HQ (General Staff) diary here.

Regards
Chris

Edit:
If needed, there is help on how to read map references here.

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Hi Chris,

Many thanks for those links.  One thing I have noticed so far, in the Kensingtons diaries, casualties are noted in the remarks column, officers by name and the "OR's" by number of.  In the Brigade diary there is mention of casualties, none, light or heavy but no names or numbers of.

Do you know if there were diaries kept at a Company level.  Stands to reason that there must be some form of written communication from the "working level" going up the chain of command.  The diaries appear to be a synopsis of what is happening at each level with the detail being condensed to key point the further up it goes.

Regards

Frank

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Hi Frank,

I don't think that they were, but I'm not certain if a diary as such was kept at the Company level. If they were I don't know where they were kept, or if any survive. Possibly the Regimental Museum might have something??

If you would like a basic head count of casualties, the Division A&Q diary may help - link. For example for 6.10.1916 (as part of the appendices) it has:

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Regards
Chris

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