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Was this man attached to a CCS in March 1918?


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Reverend w.g.Burgis 

Been trying to ascertain this for ages. but to no avail.

Wondered if anyone could help.

Thanks

Steve

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Have you access to FindMyPast?

Burgis is mentioned in newspapers as being awarded the M.C. but nothing re. a CCS.

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or is that Gaisford as on medal card?

 

George

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54 minutes ago, George Rayner said:

Hi George

On holiday currently and not able to access find my past as can't remember what password I used or what email address.

I'm currently using my phone over here.

Yes ,pte. Fred Brown is my great grandfather. I'm just trying to pin down where the chaplain was roughly around that time so I can maybe work out where Fred was taken after being shot in the stomach.

Just sieving the details for more information.

Thanks

Steve

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2 hours ago, George Rayner said:

The Liverpool Post of 03 January 1918 has

The British Newspaper Archive | findmypast.co.uk

Revd William Gatsford Burgis (T/CF) 4th CT Army Chapl Dept

at least that's what I think it says!

George

 

Rev William Gaisford Burgis (T./CF, 4th Cl), Army Chapl. Dept. :

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30450/supplement/32/data.pdf

JP

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2 hours ago, helpjpl said:

 

Rev William Gaisford Burgis (T./CF, 4th Cl), Army Chapl. Dept. :

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30450/supplement/32/data.pdf

JP

That's excellent 👌

Sorry to sound like a numpty but what are the abbreviations?

 

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Temporary Chaplain to the Forces, 4th Class, Army Chaplains Department. 

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1 hour ago, Michelle Young said:

Temporary Chaplain to the Forces, 4th Class, Army Chaplains Department. 

Michelle

You are a star .. Thankyou 👍

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A different tack.

1.  Have you confirmed from the Medal Rolls that your great grandfather was with 11th battalion when he was wounded ? Assuming that he was .....

2.  Your great grandfather is unlikely to be mentioned by name but the War Diary should give locations for the relevant period. You can download the 11th Battalion's  from the National Archives for free if you sign in first:

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7353897

3.  Rev Burgis letter of 25 April states that he saw Pte F Brown in a hospital near the line some days ago.

https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/46146-gallantry-awards-to-army-chaplains-1914-18/page/3/

4.  A few 11th battalion men who perished during the period 22 March to mid April are buried in cemeteries used by Casualty Clearing Stations e.g.:

a)  Bac-du-Sud British Cemetery, Bailleuval - The cemetery was made in March 1918 by the 7th, 20th and 43rd Casualty Clearing Stations:

https://www.cwgc.org/visit-us/find-cemeteries-memorials/cemetery-details/2000/BAC-DU-SUD BRITISH CEMETERY, BAILLEULVAL/

b)  Doullens Communal Cemetery Extension No. 1 - By the end of 1916, these had given way to the 3rd Canadian Stationary Hospital (which stayed until June 1918) and the 2/1st Northumbrian Casualty Clearing Station:

https://www.cwgc.org/visit-us/find-cemeteries-memorials/cemetery-details/8101/doullens-communal-cemetery-extension-no.1/

c)  Merville Communal Cemetery Extension -  54th (1st/2nd London) from August 1915 to March 1918, and the 51st (Highland) from May 1917 to April 1918:

https://www.cwgc.org/visit-us/find-cemeteries-memorials/cemetery-details/60102/Merville Communal Cemetery Extension/

5.  Your great grandfather had a severe stomach wound. With the aid of the war diary and a map you may be able to figure out which Casualty Clearing Stations were nearest when when he was wounded.

6.  Locations of Casualty Clearing Stations:

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/locations-of-british-casualty-clearing-stations/

JP

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20 hours ago, helpjpl said:

A different tack.

1.  Have you confirmed from the Medal Rolls that your great grandfather was with 11th battalion when he was wounded ? Assuming that he was .....

2.  Your great grandfather is unlikely to be mentioned by name but the War Diary should give locations for the relevant period. You can download the 11th Battalion's  from the National Archives for free if you sign in first:

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7353897

3.  Rev Burgis letter of 25 April states that he saw Pte F Brown in a hospital near the line some days ago.

https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/46146-gallantry-awards-to-army-chaplains-1914-18/page/3/

4.  A few 11th battalion men who perished during the period 22 March to mid April are buried in cemeteries used by Casualty Clearing Stations e.g.:

a)  Bac-du-Sud British Cemetery, Bailleuval - The cemetery was made in March 1918 by the 7th, 20th and 43rd Casualty Clearing Stations:

https://www.cwgc.org/visit-us/find-cemeteries-memorials/cemetery-details/2000/BAC-DU-SUD BRITISH CEMETERY, BAILLEULVAL/

b)  Doullens Communal Cemetery Extension No. 1 - By the end of 1916, these had given way to the 3rd Canadian Stationary Hospital (which stayed until June 1918) and the 2/1st Northumbrian Casualty Clearing Station:

https://www.cwgc.org/visit-us/find-cemeteries-memorials/cemetery-details/8101/doullens-communal-cemetery-extension-no.1/

c)  Merville Communal Cemetery Extension -  54th (1st/2nd London) from August 1915 to March 1918, and the 51st (Highland) from May 1917 to April 1918:

https://www.cwgc.org/visit-us/find-cemeteries-memorials/cemetery-details/60102/Merville Communal Cemetery Extension/

5.  Your great grandfather had a severe stomach wound. With the aid of the war diary and a map you may be able to figure out which Casualty Clearing Stations were nearest when when he was wounded.

6.  Locations of Casualty Clearing Stations:

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/locations-of-british-casualty-clearing-stations/

JP

Thanks helpjpl..ihadnt managed to work out what exact battalion he fought with other than I believe found that a man in the 2nd Suffolks a number of 44481 was born in Tipton staffs as was my GT grandfather .. same birthdate , middle name mother with same maiden name etc.

There were a group around his number that transferred from the south staffs regiment at the same time.

That's about as far as I got.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Steviebullsatatter said:

Thanks helpjpl..ihadnt managed to work out what exact battalion he fought with other than I believe found that a man in the 2nd Suffolks a number of 44481 was born in Tipton staffs as was my GT grandfather .. same birthdate , middle name mother with same maiden name etc.

Did he enlist at Newcastle ?

Weekly Casualty List - killed, wounded and missing - (findmypast)):

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search/british-newspapers?date=1918-11-01&date_offsetdate=1918-11-30&lastname=44481&modifiedfacets=true&exactnames=true&exactkeywords=false

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JP

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Not sure

He was from the west midlands.

So probably local to the area.

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