Saudirick Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 Hi all, New to this forum and have started researching my Great Grand Father who is buried at Duisans cemetery at Arras. I have visited the grave twice now but in my research I can see from his cap badge in his studio photograph that he started with the Brecknockshire regiment of the South Wales Borderers as 3699 but at some point must have transferred to the Royal Welsh Fusiliers 10th Battalion as 235038 which he was serving with when he died. I cannot for the life of me find his service records yet but can anybody tell me if transferring was common place and how I can find out when and where he transferred. I have read the war diaries for both regiments and would love to know in which theatre of war he actually took part in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 (edited) Hi and welcome to the forum His Medal roll on Ancestry (subscription needed) has the numbers as you say, however, many service records were lost in the blitz in WW2, so you only have a small chance of finding it regards Jon Edited 17 September , 2021 by jonbem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 Welcome to the forum, I wonder if RWF experts @Hywynor @clive_hughes might to be able to date the issue of the RWF number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 the Ancestry roll also notes 4th Battalion Name: William Jones Military Year: 1914-1920 Rank: Private Unit: 4th Battalion Company: WO 329 Regiment or Corps: Royal Welsh Fusiliers Regiment Number: 2350 38 Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busterfield Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 From familysearch puts at least one date in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 National Archives MIC https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3168223 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saudirick Posted 17 September , 2021 Author Share Posted 17 September , 2021 37 minutes ago, jonbem said: the Ancestry roll also notes 4th Battalion Name: William Jones Military Year: 1914-1920 Rank: Private Unit: 4th Battalion Company: WO 329 Regiment or Corps: Royal Welsh Fusiliers Regiment Number: 2350 38 Medal Awarded: British War Medal and Victory Medal Thats interesting as his Commonmwealth War Graves Commission certificate states 10th Bn. What would the Company number of WO329 refer to? Thank you all so much for the responses so far. This alone is very helpful to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Saudirick said: What would the Company number of WO329 refer to? Think it is likely to be a glitch - War Office references WO 329 are Campaign Medal Rolls and likewise for Silver War Badge [also commonly abbreviated as SWB] lists, see at the National Archives. :-) M Edited 17 September , 2021 by Matlock1418 expand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saudirick Posted 17 September , 2021 Author Share Posted 17 September , 2021 Ok, Thanks. It would be nice to know if the service records actually exist. The more research I am trying to do the more interested I am becoming. My father served in the RAF in Egypt in ww2 and that had been my main interest.... until now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodnbits Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 (edited) The Familysearch record that busterfield's post above I think refers to is the service record on fmp. https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7405052%2F33%2F972 It is possible you will also find it on ancestry. Tim Edited 17 September , 2021 by Woodnbits Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 (edited) Hi, FMP has a set of service papers - link. The key pages of which are... Images sourced from Findmypast Regards Chris Edited 17 September , 2021 by clk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 5 minutes ago, Woodnbits said: The Familysearch record that busterfield's post above I think refers to is the service record on fmp. https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7405052%2F33%2F972 It is possible you will also find it on ancestry. Yes it is :-) M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saudirick Posted 17 September , 2021 Author Share Posted 17 September , 2021 Thats wonderful, Thank you. I will sign up to FMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 9 minutes ago, Saudirick said: The more research I am trying to do the more interested I am becoming Not from his service record but if you like family stuff then you will probably like this. His Widows [and family] pension index card [sadly the main file will be long lost, deliberately destroyed when its use was ended] Image courtesy of WFA/Fold3 28/9 per week = 13/9 for his widow [as under 45] plus 5/-, 4/2, 3/4 and 2/6 respectively for the children. Children's allowances typically paid until they reached 16, then they stopped. A one-off £3 [60/-] grant was earlier paid to help widow with expenses associated with her husband's death - quite commonly used for notices in newspapers - thus, if you have not already done so, you are advised to check local newspapers from the Shrewsbury area [possibly for a notice of his death but also perhaps for other articles and commonly a Holy Grail of a photo]. Good luck. :-) M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 6 minutes ago, Saudirick said: Thats wonderful, Thank you. I will sign up to FMP If in UK worth checking if your local library subscribes to FMP and/or Ancestry - members can often get free access [both in library and at the moment for some also remotely] You can alternatively often get short FMP / Ancestry subscriptions and/or or even free access on a limited number of days each year - look out for their special offers. :-) M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 36 minutes ago, Woodnbits said: The Familysearch record that busterfield's post above I think refers to is the service record on fmp.https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7405052%2F33%2F972 It is possible you will also find it on ancestry. 30 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: Yes it is Is that 'Yes it is the service record?' or 'Yes it is on Ancestry?' Blowed if I can find it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: Is that 'Yes it is the service record?' or 'Yes it is on Ancestry?' Short Service Attestation etc. on Ancestry [well that is where I was looking] - under 3699 [with further pages for 235038] :-) M Edit: And yes, it is on FMP too - with the page abstracts earlier posted above. Edited 17 September , 2021 by Matlock1418 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saudirick Posted 17 September , 2021 Author Share Posted 17 September , 2021 Thanks so much. Gertrude Mary was his daughter and my Grandmother that i remember well. Unfortunately, before the war he was a chauffeur with a cottage provided, on his death, my Great Grandmother had to leave the cottage with her 4 young children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 (edited) Leaving the military side aside for now you may be interested in these further family details from his service record [a form his widow had to return]: Image courtesy of Find My Past :-) M Edited 17 September , 2021 by Matlock1418 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saudirick Posted 17 September , 2021 Author Share Posted 17 September , 2021 Thank you very much, Thats all really useful and very interesting. The more information I can collect the better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 1 hour ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: Blowed if I can find it... THIS ONE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 17 September , 2021 Share Posted 17 September , 2021 58 minutes ago, jonbem said: THIS ONE? That's the one jb. How bizarre. I found it, and posted a comment earlier, which has disappeared... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saudirick Posted 24 September , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 September , 2021 On 17/09/2021 at 11:19, Matlock1418 said: Short Service Attestation etc. on Ancestry [well that is where I was looking] - under 3699 [with further pages for 235038] :-) M Edit: And yes, it is on FMP too - with the page abstracts earlier posted above. I have now joined FMP as a free trial but cant find the Short Service Attestation as mentioned above by Matlock1418, maybe im not looking in the right place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodnbits Posted 24 September , 2021 Share Posted 24 September , 2021 (edited) On 17/09/2021 at 10:38, Woodnbits said: The Familysearch record that busterfield's post above I think refers to is the service record on fmp. https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7405052%2F33%2F972 It is possible you will also find it on ancestry. Tim Still works. Someone with Ancestry access might say if there is any additional pages not included with FMP. Tim Edited 24 September , 2021 by Woodnbits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 24 September , 2021 Share Posted 24 September , 2021 11 hours ago, Saudirick said: I have now joined FMP as a free trial but cant find the Short Service Attestation as mentioned above by Matlock1418, maybe im not looking in the right place? On FMP there are two Service Records with SS Attestations for William JONES, 3699 = 3 June 1892 and 24 November 1915 Using the advanced option: put in his names, select military records (or vice versa) and then add his number - brings up three hits for me [the other one is for his medals] Good luck. :-) M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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