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22 minutes ago, Sean Kennedy said:

DLI #327634?

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Serving in the Cheshire Regiment before Durham, given birthplace/residence, doesn't seem entirely logical but who knows?

Anything on this fella?

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Yes, I have seen photos of a man in one uniform where there's no trace of any records for it, nothing showing on medal records. His medals were awarded for another regiment. I have two different photos both from trusted sources. Off the top of my head but could be on the wrong person, he served in the Northumbrian Cycling Corps and then must have been transferred. The NCC isn't mentioned anywhere but he's wearing the cap badge.

I was told a group of them were together in the cadets pre war and served in different regiments. From Durham one went to the Kings Liverpool Regt.

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I have every ''John Sharples'', not just DLI, written down from ancestry.com and divided by regiment. Subtracting ones with non-Northumberland/Newcastle area address, officers, ones who were KIA and ones with a Mons medal (he wasn't a regular) and it is still a massive list!  

The only two in DLI are ##26117 (Blackburn however) and 327634.

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2 hours ago, emam said:

The medal card above isn't him. He lived in Lancashire.

I tried to post my last reply earlier but it wouldn't save.

327634?

Then either he didn't receive a medal (therefore wasn't posted overseas) or was transferred and qualified for a medal through another regiment? There are only two ''J'' or ''John Sharples/s'' I have pulled up for DLI, one Blackburn and him (there is no reason why he'd add a middle name as none appears in his census data). Unless he did something odd like change his name or join whilst in Lancashire and change origins for whatever reason! 

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@emam is right about Lancashire (and no doubt was posting the following information when it wouldn't save)  - FMP has some service papers for 327634 John Sharples (originally 5131 2/7th Cheshires) which give his home address as 252 Tottington Rd, Harwood near Bolton; nok mother Mary. Served in Egypt from 15/2/18, to Salonika Nov 18, invalided to UK 30/10/18. Image from Find My Past.

I expect you've tried this, but I've sometimes tracked down men from infantry battalions on the Labour Corps medal rolls after they were reassigned following wounds, sickness and/or the effects of age, etc. Good luck.

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3 minutes ago, Pat Atkins said:

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@emam is right about Lancashire (and no doubt was posting the following information when it wouldn't save)  - FMP has some service papers for 327634 John Sharples (originally 5131 2/7th Cheshires) which give his home address as 252 Tottington Rd, Harwood near Bolton; nok mother Mary. Served in Egypt from 15/2/18, to Salonika Nov 18, invalided to UK 30/10/18. Image from Find My Past.

I expect you've tried this, but I've sometimes tracked down men from infantry battalions on the Labour Corps medal rolls after they were reassigned following wounds, sickness and/or the effects of age, etc. Good luck.

Definitely not him then! 

Either he transferred or he didn't serve overseas. Got to be one of those, unless there is something weird like a name change.

I did have a theory that, being a miner, he may have been stolen for the RE?

Thank you Pat and @emamby the way.

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It demonstrates the different experiences researching soldiers,

I have one ancestor whose complete service record exists, although I lack photos (I have one but am struggling to identify him on it as I only have one other for cross reference, poor quality and in later life). Also consulted War Diaries. I know the minute he joined his Bn, the company he joined and the exact minute he was wounded (5.01pm)! It is remarkable how much I have constructed.

I have one ancestor whose service record didn't survive but a lot has been extrapolated from other stuff - medals, casualty returns - and the Bn has been discovered, as has his death date and the fact it was at battle x. I have two photos of him, identified by cap badge.

And I have THIS ancestor where I have four pieces of photographic evidence, two with cap (DLI) and which has been certified to his civilian record, yet literally nothing can be pulled up! 

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Made a list of every John Sharples(s), J Sharples (s) and Jack Sharples irrespective of regiment - admitting chance he was transferred. 

- Removed/removing non-Northumberland birthplace/residency when known

- Removed/removing Mons Stars seeing he (most likely) wasn't a regular.

- removed/removing KIAs 
 

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Mancs 3513 6432

Lancs Fus:14118 20336 29904 307684 10530

Loyal North Lancs: 24375 24568 18304 10977 18996 24250 17627 10530 2933/20081 1140

East Lancs 6/20146 15146 15458 201582 53672 11549

South Lancs 14118 15972 14118 13895

R. Lancs 9487 35127

York and Lancs 40664

Royal Scots 71224

Beds and Herts 59212

RW Fus 7/4654 47168

RDC 13th Bn 1638 

IR Lanc Reg 9487

Rifle Corps 8692

Rifle Brigade 209869 B296 B/985

Scottish Rifles 17692

Liverpool 56967

W. Yorks 18/1351 15/804

Scots' Borderers 26688

Border 17766

Grenadier Grds 30467

Household Cav 3086

Scots Guards 9526

Welsh 21st 40466

RE 5047 304959 WR/277522

RASC M2/033397 M/317563 T3/029640 T3/027320 T4/248443

RASC M2/033397 T3/029640 T3/027320 T4/248443

Labour Corps: 222423 678550 648225 222186

RFA 97396 TF/680977 L/3831 77364 2114 L/10967 55732 2717/680977 L/10967 220800

RHA 2717

RGA 199076 199076 374636 TF/308726 220095

RAVG SE/7465 SE/9479

RAMC 43740

MGC 34356

RTC 91233

RDC 13th 1638

68 TRB TR3/21232

? 202515

Mancs/Lancs 6432/53672

RE/LNLR 304959/39845

Lancs/Beds 17799/59212

Mancs/Scots 57631 71224

Grds/Labour Corps 19030/648225

E Lancs/Labour Corps 21478/222186

RGA/RFA 30876/1813

Mancs/Rifles 3607/209869

S. Lancs/? 3171/31944

Household/Grds 2110/30467

MANCS/re 26612/310328/WR 277522

RGA/RFA/Drag 220095/77364/22095/393544

 

 

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It probably means absolutely zilch but there was a photograph of a group scene from post war (probably nearer ww2) which was  stuck in with the photographs. Think it is just some employees and cannot spot John/Jack on there - indeed, they're all younger than he would've been at that time. Struggling to read handwriting? Doubt it means anything but maybe someone on here will have more success?

 

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All I can make out on my phone is "of River", I'm afraid.

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5 hours ago, Pat Atkins said:

All I can make out on my phone is "of River", I'm afraid.

 

''...Of...high...'' is my sole certified translation. Those old fellas and their crazy vertical cursive. 

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"??scoll of River ?????.  High Seat. April 26/47" (42?)

There is a High Seat (709m) which is the fourth highest fell in the Yorkshire Dales.  It's a very popular walk.  There are some curiously unique names around this area but I couldn't find a match for the River above.

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lutescoll, lintscoll, butesroll, binteroll, cuteroll of River from High Seat April 26 1947.

On the first word the first letter could be any of  c/l/b the second an u. At first glance the first word second line looks like Green, but I think it's "from" with the loop at the top which would make the G being a mark on the paper.

 

I'm hoping this will post as I'm having trouble with replying on here.

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*utside of river is what I see, can’t  make out the first letter, might be a badly formed O 

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I think the word is "Outside".

(I was taught this style of wriing, by the way!)

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