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This is stamped on a page of an RFA officer "This file will in no circumstances be seen by the person to whom it relates." Is this unusual? I don't see anything in the file that is particularly sensitive (it could have been removed?)

Mike

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I see that above the stamped message are the words "Med Board". I suspect that there is something in the file which reflects badly on the officer, presumably some medical reference.

I don't know whether this was routine where medical records were concerned, or whether there was something peculiar to this case which made it necessary to preserve medical secrecy.

Ron

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2 minutes ago, Ron Clifton said:

 "Med Board". I suspect that there is something in the file which reflects badly on the officer, presumably some medical reference.

 

Ron

 

Thanks Ron. Yes Medical Board but I don't see anything untoward, unless Fever NYD was a bit 'iffy'?

 

Mike

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NYD   = Not Yet Diagnosed ?

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7 minutes ago, Kath said:

NYD   = Not Yet Diagnosed ?

 

Yes but I wondered if it might have been due to an indescretion, he was married? Then again, they could hardly want to hide that from him, he would know.

 

Mike

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I think your suspicion is that the file has also been later 'weeded' is likely to be the case. Interesting but frustrating!

:-)

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12 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

I think your suspicion is that the file has also been later 'weeded' is likely to be the case. Interesting but frustrating!

:-)

Yes probably. What could there have been in the file that they did not want the officer (under any circumstances) to know. He survived the war and had a very interesting life and career.

 

Mike

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If they went to the trouble of having a stamp made with that phrase surely they intended to do a lot of stamping with it. Could the stamp be much later? It seems to relate to the whole file not necessarily just the stamped page.

Might have given reasons for pension being reduced, declined or halted.

Wasn't really aware that Mr X could have turned up and ask to see his record.

There's usually dates of weeding on the front cover, sometimes with more detail.

I can see that something was destroyed.

TEW

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Thanks TEW. It could be as you suggest, who knows. Attached the first page of his file.

 

Mike

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I've haven't seen this one before, but the fact they had a stamp made may mean it was not an unusual inclusion as TEW says. Might it be a standard caveat for Med Board files?  

On the other hand does NYD indicate suspected malingering perhaps? If so looks like he was clever enough to miss 1 July! 

Tim D 

 

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Not Yet Diagnosed was used as a euphemism for PTSD, which was earlier termed 'shellshock'.

Most of the witnesses to the Southborough Committee after the war agreed that the term shellshock should never have been used, and it was most regrettable that it had become current. 

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47 minutes ago, Mk VII said:

Not Yet Diagnosed was used as a euphemism for PTSD, which was earlier termed 'shellshock'.

Most of the witnesses to the Southborough Committee after the war agreed that the term shellshock should never have been used, and it was most regrettable that it had become current. 

 

Thanks Mk VII I suppose that's possible. No word of that anywhere, or in any newspaper reports. He won MC  later.

 

Mike

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I had NYD down as simply that and no more. NYDN is 'not yet diagnosed nervous' which has could have some overlap with a shell-shock diagnosis. Shell-shock has some overlap with PTSD but the two are not the same.

This officer's record states 'NYD Fever' which is more likely to be along the lines of trench fever. Nine nights in hospital and back at duty. I doubt any of this is to do with the stamp. 

The stamp overlies the ink regarding the 1930 destruction so it post dates that. A typeface expert could probably say more but that stamp and the 'KEPT' stamp look modern-ish to me, and presumably the 'Closed' stamps are late.

TEW

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On 18/08/2021 at 06:48, Skipman said:

Attached the first page of his file.

From this cover page = This file certainly seems to have had quite a lot of attention May to August 1915.

The annotation R/pa I believe stands for Returned/put away [i.e. filed again, after most likely after being extracted and then consulted elsewhere than the records office]

:-) M

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Trying to explain the need for a rubber stamp [as has been suggested before - presumably the high number of cases, or a need to make them especially distinctive??] ...

Could it possibly have been a suggestion(s) of potentially being a "Malingerer"? Or "Fraudulent condition" - Or discussions around or words/ideas to something like that effect?

Not the sort of thing you would want circulating to an officer, especially if unproven!!!

???

:-) M

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whatever it was it doesn't seem to have affected his career?

Wounded shrapnel ball thigh Second-Lieutenant 24/4/1915, wound healed well but strained muscle other leg, rejoined unit as Lieutenant on 28/8/1915, by 3/12/1916 was acting Adjutant for short time. MID July 1917, MC 1/1/1918

 

Mike

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55 minutes ago, Skipman said:

whatever it was it doesn't seem to have affected his career?

Wounded shrapnel ball thigh Second-Lieutenant 24/4/1915, wound healed well but strained muscle other leg, rejoined unit as Lieutenant on 28/8/1915, by 3/12/1916 was acting Adjutant for short time. MID July 1917, MC 1/1/1918

Fair play to him - He did well - Perhaps another reason not circulate whatever material in front of him later.  ??

Interesting, but frustrating!

:-) M

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I notice several times  'AG6' and 'AG4a' is this a medical reference or a fitness level...I would agree with TEW, he suffered a mental illness between May June of 1915?  the records of which were destroyed in 1930...Interesting document... 

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I've recently seen another rank & file record where the man wrote a polite letter to OC Records asking for copies of his medical sheets to hand them over to a hospital he was in for the same ailment that got him discharged . This was post-war & post-discharge.

He received a polite reply which had to decline his request as that information did not belong to him.

Possible of course his pension could be raised or the private doctor might find malpractice within the records or other legal implications could have arisen.

TEW

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