Martin Coogan 7757 Royal Irish Regiment

[Margaretnolan]

I’m trying to decipher details on a death Cert which I believe is the above man, link and clip below. 

I can make out some of it but wondered what others think. I’m looking to identify the words under the name Martin Coogan.

I have his medal rolls, Medal Index Card. Pension ledger cards and two effects register.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1954/04445/4162717.pdf

 

Thank you.

Margaret

[Ivor Anderson]

Could it be Knaresburgh/ knaresborough? 

 http://kilkennyarchaeologicalsociety.ie/tag/knaresborough/

https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish_main.php?civilparishid=1401&surname=Knaresborough&county=Kilkenny&civilparish=Rathcoole

'W. Knaresborough' owned land in the Johnswell townland, Rathcoole Parish, at the time of Griffiths Valuation (nos. 11-20, c.1860).

It may be a contact name at "Goose Hill, Kilkenny"??

 

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[Margaretnolan]

2 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said:

Could it be Knaresburgh/ knaresborough? 

 http://kilkennyarchaeologicalsociety.ie/tag/knaresborough/

https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish_main.php?civilparishid=1401&surname=Knaresborough&county=Kilkenny&civilparish=Rathcoole

'W. Knaresborough' owned land in the Johnswell townland, Rathcoole Parish, at the time of Griffiths Valuation (nos. 11-20, c.1860).

It may be a contact name at "Goose Hill, Kilkenny"??

 

Thank you Ivor, I thought Knaresborough but I was thinking Knaresborough in England. Thought maybe he came from a hospital there. This man is local to me but I hadn’t heard of Knaresborough here. Ossory Hill I do know.

Regards

Margaret 

 

 

[FROGSMILE]

The annotation commences - “Knaresburgh War Hospital”.  There was a Knaresborough auxiliary military hospital set up in the old workhouse there, plus another facility nearby.  Both were small, and treated less than 900 during the war.  The workhouse building was demolished in 1996.  Also see: https://fliphtml5.com/xrys/okme/basic

Then something like - Goose Hill, Kilkenny.

 

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[Margaretnolan]

30 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said:

The annotation commences - “Knaresburgh War Hospital”.  There was a Knaresborough auxiliary military hospital set up in the old workhouse there, plus another facility nearby.  Both were small, and treated less than 900 during the war.  The workhouse building was demolished in 1996.  Also see: https://fliphtml5.com/xrys/okme/basic

Then something like - Goose Hill, Kilkenny.

 

Thanks Frogsmile. Goose Hill was his address, I’m fairly sure. 

The hospital where he died was, as we call it the Mental Hospital, Kilkenny. Apologies I didn’t specify that the death Cert was an Irish death Cert. 

Below are his effects registers and Pension ledgers.

 

 

 

[FROGSMILE]

I was glad to help a little.  I hadn’t realised the full extent of usage of workhouses as temporary hospitals.  There is information, photos and maps concerning Knaresborough here: http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Knaresborough/

[Margaretnolan]

I had thought that the register of soldiers effects was for only soldiers who had died. I’m fairly sure that the death Cert and effects register are the same man.

Margaret

[museumtom]

 

Martin in Goose Hill.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Kilkenny_Urban/Goosehill/1450588/

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[Margaretnolan]

1 hour ago, museumtom said:

 

Martin in Goose Hill.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kilkenny/Kilkenny_Urban/Goosehill/1450588/

Thanks Tom. That surely looks like him.

if I have the correct death Cert why has he an effects register?

[museumtom]

You are asking the wrong person Margaret sorry.  I did not put him on the register, I swear!

[Margaretnolan]

10 minutes ago, museumtom said:

You are asking the wrong person Margaret sorry.  I did not put him on the register, I swear!

I knew you didn’t 😀cheers for your help.

Margaret

 

[Ivor Anderson]

His MIC shows that he entered France on 5 July 1915 and was discharged less than 4 months later on 27 October 1915 (same date as on effects entries).

The 'soldier's effects' has this where a date of death usually is - see below. Could this entry have been to fund his care up until 1928, when it became the responsibility of the Irish State? It implies a degree of responsibility for what happened to him? He was born in Stephen St., Kilkenny on 3 April 1886.

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[Margaretnolan]

8 minutes ago, Ivor Anderson said:

His MIC shows that he entered France on 5 July 1915 and was discharged less than 4 months later on 27 October 1915 (same date as on effects entries).

The 'soldier's effects' has this where a date of death usually is - see below. Could this entry have been to fund his care up until 1928, when it became the responsibility of the Irish State?. It implies a degree of responsibility for what happened to him? He was born in Stephen St. on 3 April 1886.

Ivor..I’m just flying out the door. I’ll have a good read later.

Margaret

[Ivor Anderson]

His parents Michael Coogan and Mary Neill had married in St. Mary's, Kilkenny on 14 February 1881. Mary's occupation was 'teacher'.

They were still living at Goose Hill in 1911: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002595400/

Michael died 30 July 1917 at Thomas Street, and Mary on 29 Sept. 1939 at Thomas Street.

Martin may have been a farm servant in 1911? http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002635347/

Does Martin's medal roll list the battalions he served with? The 3rd was a service battalion so he must have been in France with another.

https://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2009/08/royal-irish-regiment-1st-2nd-battalions.html

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[corisande]

49 minutes ago, Ivor Anderson said:

Does Martin's medal roll list the battalions he served with?

Star roll gives 1st Bat

[FROGSMILE]

2 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said:

His parents Michael Coogan and Mary Neill had married in St. Mary's, Kilkenny on 14 February 1881. Mary's occupation was 'teacher'.

They were still living at Goose Hill in 1911: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002595400/

Michael died 30 July 1917 at Thomas Street, and Mary on 29 Sept. 1939 at Thomas Street.

Martin may have been a farm servant in 1911? http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002635347/

Does Martin's medal roll list the battalions he served with? The 3rd was a service battalion so he must have been in France with another.

https://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2009/08/royal-irish-regiment-1st-2nd-battalions.html

3rd Battalion was Special Reserve, Ivor.  During the war it serviced the administrative requirements of the two regular battalions and as such became the holding unit for their soldiers awaiting a posting, or under medical care on the home establishment.

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[Ivor Anderson]

The 1st Bn. war diary reports 'reinforcements arrived - 99 other ranks' on 9th July 1915. They were in the trenches and under shell and sniper fire.

During October 1915 the battalion had none killed, 8 wounded and 68 "evacuated sick to hospital". He was not named among the wounded.

Edited 17 July , 2021 by Ivor Anderson

[Margaretnolan]

18 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said:

His parents Michael Coogan and Mary Neill had married in St. Mary's, Kilkenny on 14 February 1881. Mary's occupation was 'teacher'.

They were still living at Goose Hill in 1911: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002595400/

Michael died 30 July 1917 at Thomas Street, and Mary on 29 Sept. 1939 at Thomas Street.

Martin may have been a farm servant in 1911? http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002635347/

Does Martin's medal roll list the battalions he served with? The 3rd was a service battalion so he must have been in France with another.

https://armyservicenumbers.blogspot.com/2009/08/royal-irish-regiment-1st-2nd-battalions.html

Ivor, yes that does appear to be him in 1911 working a farm labourer. Also his parents deaths fit.

I’ve come access a record on Fold3 for a Martin Coogan 3177 which looks like it could be him.

Link here.

 

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61643&h=723665&tid=&pid=&queryId=1ec589ea12e3ff450d5154258daf920d&usePUB=true&_phsrc=iJq7&_phstart=successSource

First page below.

 

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[Margaretnolan]

6 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

3rd Battalion was Special Reserve, Ivor.  During the war it serviced the administrative requirements of the two regular battalions and as such became the holding unit for their soldiers awaiting a posting, or under medical care on the home establishment.

 

8 hours ago, corisande said:

Star roll gives 1st Bat

Thank you both for the information. Very much appreciated.

Margaret