MA57 Posted 24 June , 2021 Share Posted 24 June , 2021 Hi everyone, I’m extremely new to collecting, I just started a month or so ago. I had a few questions - how do I tell the difference between an Australian 1907 pattern bayonet and a British bayonet? - how do I tell the difference between a ww1 and a ww2 bayonet? (1907 pattern ) - is Lithgow Australian and Wilkson British? - what markings do both British and Australian bayonet scabbards have? - how do I tell if a bayonet is fake Thats all. I do know markings on the blade. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 25 June , 2021 Share Posted 25 June , 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, MA57 said: Hi everyone, I’m extremely new to collecting, I just started a month or so ago. I had a few questions - how do I tell the difference between an Australian 1907 pattern bayonet and a British bayonet? - how do I tell the difference between a ww1 and a ww2 bayonet? (1907 pattern ) - is Lithgow Australian and Wilkson British? - what markings do both British and Australian bayonet scabbards have? - how do I tell if a bayonet is fake Thats all. I do know markings on the blade. Thanks The answers to pretty much all of this can be found in the numerous threads on P1907s (if you do a search using the search bar at the top) but to get you started 1) The only difference is the markings on the blade the design/specs etc are the same they are to the same pattern. However there are variations like the absence of a clearance hole in the pommel which lasted longer on Lithgow rifles and various finishes and minor variations were introduced at different times -- they were however governed by the same pattern and intended to be (and were) interchangeable. Here are a couple of Lithgow blades to show you the markings 2) The blades had dates on them - dates of first issue and then subsequent inspections and reissues. WWII manufactured blades have WWII dates of production and issue (there are comparatively few BRITISH produced WWII p1907s and those are stamped WSC 294 (the wartime code for Wilkinson Sword) - however there are a lot of Australian and Indian WWII produced blades. Of course lots of WWI produced blades continued in service into WWII 3) Yes - but there were several other British producers and not all Australian bayonets are marked Lithgow. There are also Indian produced P1907s (and derivatives) 4) - A lot -- you need to get a reference book here -- there are all sorts of variations and the best books (Skennerton and RIchardson's British and Commonwealth Bayonets) has several pages of the markings 5) The only 1907s of which I am aware that have been "faked" (reproduced) are the earlier "Hooked Quillon" version produced before 1913 - if you are interested in normal 1907s - don't worry about fakes -- there were millions of P1907s produced - -they are unlikley to ever have a scarcity value while anyone on this forum is alive! Be aware if you go down this road........ Edited 25 June , 2021 by 4thGordons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 25 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 25 June , 2021 4 hours ago, 4thGordons said: The answers to pretty much all of this can be found in the numerous threads on P1907s (if you do a search using the search bar at the top) but to get you started 1) The only difference is the markings on the blade the design/specs etc are the same they are to the same pattern. However there are variations like the absence of a clearance hole in the pommel which lasted longer on Lithgow rifles and various finishes and minor variations were introduced at different times -- they were however governed by the same pattern and intended to be (and were) interchangeable. Here are a couple of Lithgow blades to show you the markings 2) The blades had dates on them - dates of first issue and then subsequent inspections and reissues. WWII manufactured blades have WWII dates of production and issue (there are comparatively few BRITISH produced WWII p1907s and those are stamped WSC 294 (the wartime code for Wilkinson Sword) - however there are a lot of Australian and Indian WWII produced blades. Of course lots of WWI produced blades continued in service into WWII 3) Yes - but there were several other British producers and not all Australian bayonets are marked Lithgow. There are also Indian produced P1907s (and derivatives) 4) - A lot -- you need to get a reference book here -- there are all sorts of variations and the best books (Skennerton and RIchardson's British and Commonwealth Bayonets) has several pages of the markings 5) The only 1907s of which I am aware that have been "faked" (reproduced) are the earlier "Hooked Quillon" version produced before 1913 - if you are interested in normal 1907s - don't worry about fakes -- there were millions of P1907s produced - -they are unlikley to ever have a scarcity value while anyone on this forum is alive! Be aware if you go down this road........ Thank you soooooo much! But I have one more question that I forgot to add - how do I tell if a bayonet is British made but Aussie used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 25 June , 2021 Share Posted 25 June , 2021 It would have Australian ownership marks on. either D^D or an arrow inside a D or military district stamps or Australian state ownership stamps. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 18 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 18 July , 2021 On 25/06/2021 at 14:56, 4thGordons said: It would have Australian ownership marks on. either D^D or an arrow inside a D or military district stamps or Australian state ownership stamps. Chris How do I tell if a bayonet is British made but Australian used? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 18 July , 2021 Share Posted 18 July , 2021 The makers of Pattern 1907 Bayonets are, American: Remington Australian: Lithgow British: Chapman (JAC), Enfield (EFD), Mole, Sanderson, Vickers, Wilkinson Indian: Rifle Factory, Ishapore (RFI). Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 18 July , 2021 Share Posted 18 July , 2021 2 hours ago, MA57 said: How do I tell if a bayonet is British made but Australian used? It would be made by one of the following: Chapman (JAC), Enfield (EFD), Mole, Sanderson, Vickers, Wilkinson, and, as I mentioned, it would have Australian ownership marks on it, either D^D or an arrow inside a D or military district stamps or Australian state ownership stamps. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 17 August , 2021 Author Share Posted 17 August , 2021 (edited) On 25/06/2021 at 10:27, 4thGordons said: Are you selling any? Edited 17 August , 2021 by MA57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 17 August , 2021 Share Posted 17 August , 2021 No, I am not. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 18 August , 2021 Share Posted 18 August , 2021 Hell of a set you show there Chris! You do have Some HQ. right? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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