MA57 Posted 23 June , 2021 Share Posted 23 June , 2021 Hi, just wanted to know a bit about this bayonet, I’ve heard of soldiers marking 1 line for every person they have killed with the bayonet, is there any markings to indicate that? here are some photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peregrinvs Posted 23 June , 2021 Share Posted 23 June , 2021 It’s a British made 1907 bayonet made by Wilkinson in November 1917. On the other side of the blade there are some inspection stamps, an X denoting it passed the bend test and a broad arrow denoting it is government property. The notches denoting a kill thing is probably a bit of a myth. Statistically, it is quite unlikely that it ever stabbed anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 23 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 23 June , 2021 8 hours ago, peregrinvs said: It’s a British made 1907 bayonet made by Wilkinson in November 1917. On the other side of the blade there are some inspection stamps, an X denoting it passed the bend test and a broad arrow denoting it is government property. The notches denoting a kill thing is probably a bit of a myth. Statistically, it is quite unlikely that it ever stabbed anyone. Thank you so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 23 June , 2021 Share Posted 23 June , 2021 There appears to be a very small A in a star on the scabbard, if so the scabbard was made at the Lithgow Small Arms Factory, N.S.W. Australia and is of about the same vintage as your British made 1907 bayonet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 23 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 23 June , 2021 1 minute ago, t.ryan said: There appears to be a very small A in a star on the scabbard, if so the scabbard was made at the Lithgow Small Arms Factory, N.S.W. Australia and is of about the same vintage as your British made 1907 bayonet. So was my bayonet used by Australia or Britain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 23 June , 2021 Share Posted 23 June , 2021 It could have been used by either or both and in WW1 or WW2, hard to tell but sometimes there are other regimental stamps on the bayonet near the hole in the pommel or on the cross guard to show where it may have been used. Your bayonet does not appear to have any extra stamps to the metal tho. Search through the forum you might find out a lot of good information about the marks on the Pat.1907 Bayonet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 23 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 23 June , 2021 1 minute ago, t.ryan said: It could have been used by either or both and in WW1 or WW2, hard to tell but sometimes there are other regimental stamps on the bayonet near the hole in the pommel or on the cross guard to show where it may have been used. Your bayonet does not appear to have any extra stamps to the metal tho. Search through the forum you might find out a lot of good information about the marks on the Pat.1907 Bayonet. Would you mind if I send you some photos when I get home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 23 June , 2021 Share Posted 23 June , 2021 If it is about this or similar Pat. 1907 bayonet just show them here. If it is about a different type of bayonet, you may have to show photos in a new forum. Other members can help and are always looking for something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 24 June , 2021 Share Posted 24 June , 2021 I must admit that I was going to ask the OP what made him call it an "Australian" bayonet. Where on the scabbard do you see the 7-pointed star of Australia? Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Pickerd Posted 24 June , 2021 Share Posted 24 June , 2021 The Lithgow stamp can be seen in image number 8, very small, just below the staple fixing of the scabbard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 24 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 June , 2021 6 hours ago, t.ryan said: If it is about this or similar Pat. 1907 bayonet just show them here. If it is about a different type of bayonet, you may have to show photos in a new forum. Other members can help and are always looking for something new. I’ll show you more angles of the same bayonet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 24 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 June , 2021 8 hours ago, t.ryan said: If it is about this or similar Pat. 1907 bayonet just show them here. If it is about a different type of bayonet, you may have to show photos in a new forum. Other members can help and are always looking for something new. What would you like photos of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 24 June , 2021 Share Posted 24 June , 2021 If there are any other marks (stampings) on your bayonet or scabbard, they would be helpful. Sometimes there are marks in the leather beside stitching just below metal on scabbard and on metal at bottom of scabbard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 24 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 June , 2021 23 minutes ago, t.ryan said: If there are any other marks (stampings) on your bayonet or scabbard, they would be helpful. Sometimes there are marks in the leather beside stitching just below metal on scabbard and on metal at bottom of scabbard. After a good 5-10 minute search, I have taken photos of anything that looked like a marking. here are the photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 24 June , 2021 Share Posted 24 June , 2021 What appeared to be a small A in a star in earlier photo now looks like a British inspection mark on this last photo, so looks like the scabbard is also British. The W on leather (waxed finish). The British members should be able to put a bit of light on the other marking which looks like M/58 below the W and the small chevron on the hilt between the grips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 24 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 June , 2021 7 minutes ago, t.ryan said: What appeared to be a small A in a star in earlier photo now looks like a British inspection mark on this last photo, so looks like the scabbard is also British. The W on leather (waxed finish). The British members should be able to put a bit of light on the other marking which looks like M/58 below the W and the small chevron on the hilt between the grips. So it was made in Britain, but was used by Aussies? (I’m so sorry for the hassle I’m extremely new to collecting, I only have this bayonet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 24 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 June , 2021 12 hours ago, t.ryan said: There appears to be a very small A in a star on the scabbard, if so the scabbard was made at the Lithgow Small Arms Factory, N.S.W. Australia and is of about the same vintage as your British made 1907 bayonet. It’s not an a, it’s a w. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 24 June , 2021 Share Posted 24 June , 2021 The British 1907 bayonet and the Australian 1907 bayonet are the same, only the markings on them are different, as are the SMLE 303 calibre rifles they fit. Our soldiers were all in battle together so bayonets and rifles could have got mixed sometimes. If you are going to collect bayonets I would suggest you buy a few bayonet books and also look bayonets up on the internet, you will find plenty of information there including what all the marks on bayonets actually represent. Just search "British Pattern 1907 Bayonet Markings" and you will get a wealth of information. Happy collecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 24 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 June , 2021 Just now, t.ryan said: The British 1907 bayonet and the Australian 1907 bayonet are the same, only the markings on them are different, as are the SMLE 303 calibre rifles they fit. Our soldiers were all in battle together so bayonets and rifles could have got mixed sometimes. If you are going to collect bayonets I would suggest you buy a few bayonet books and also look bayonets up on the internet, you will find plenty of information there including what all the marks on bayonets actually represent. Just search "British Pattern 1907 Bayonet Markings" and you will get a wealth of information. Happy collecting. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave66 Posted 24 June , 2021 Share Posted 24 June , 2021 (edited) M 58 is the WW2 manufacturers code for Jabez Cliff & Co Ltd, this, along with the W stamped, suggests that during a refurbishment the scabbard had at least the leather replaced. Dave. A useful source for bayonet markings is here….http://oldmilitarymarkings.com/brit_bayo.html Edited 24 June , 2021 by Dave66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 24 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 June , 2021 5 hours ago, Dave66 said: M 58 is the WW2 manufacturers code for Jabez Cliff & Co Ltd, this, along with the W stamped, suggests that during a refurbishment the scabbard had at least the leather replaced. Dave. A useful source for bayonet markings is here….http://oldmilitarymarkings.com/brit_bayo.html So my scabbard is ww2, but my bayonet is ww1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peregrinvs Posted 24 June , 2021 Share Posted 24 June , 2021 21 minutes ago, MA57 said: So my scabbard is ww2, but my bayonet is ww1? The leather part of the scabbard is WWII, but the locket (top part) is WWI. It’s entirely normal for parts to get mixed up like this in refurbishment programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 24 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 June , 2021 Just now, peregrinvs said: The leather part of the scabbard is WWII, but the locket (top part) is WWI. It’s entirely normal for parts to get mixed up like this in refurbishment programs. Ok thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MA57 Posted 24 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 June , 2021 14 minutes ago, peregrinvs said: The leather part of the scabbard is WWII, but the locket (top part) is WWI. It’s entirely normal for parts to get mixed up like this in refurbishment programs. Would you happen to know what this marking means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peregrinvs Posted 24 June , 2021 Share Posted 24 June , 2021 It’s an inspection stamp. The ‘E’ may stand for Enfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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