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John Hinchliffe 16507 Scots Fusiliers


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  • How do you lovely clever people fancy helping me with my other Great Grandad? John Hinchliffe 16507. 
    I only have a small blurry picture of him with his Royal Scots Fusiliers hat on, and images of some handmade sports medals - that they made to keep moral up in camp. 
    apart from the obv Belgium name on one of the medals- again, we have no idea of his WW1 journey. 

many thanks.... again... 

 

claire 

 

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  • Michelle Young changed the title to John Hinchcliffe 16507 Scots Guards

Not sure why the subject topic has been changed to Scots Guards. John Hinchliffe is Royal Scots Fusiliers. ( tho strangely my Husband is a Scots Guard) 

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  • Michelle Young changed the title to John Hinchliffe 16507 Scots Fusiliers
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Apologies, I was editing the title to give more information than just the surname. Predictive text is a wonderful thing, plus me trying to prepare dinner whilst typing.....

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3 minutes ago, Michelle Young said:

Apologies, I was editing the title to give more information than just the surname. Predictive text is a wonderful thing, plus me trying to prepare dinner whilst typing.....

No worries. Tho confused the hell out of me for a brief moment. As my man is Scots Guards, and I’m at work which is with the Scots Guards too!!! 
 

I appreciate you linking my two posts together- I only started a new thread as with my original Alldritt post, the response was amazing and quick. Where this one has been very quiet- so I thought maybe I needed to start a new one. 
 

many thanks 

Claire 

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Do you have his Medal Roll entry? Here is a snip courtesy of Ancestry:

Acknown

 

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19 minutes ago, Acknown said:

Do you have his Medal Roll entry? Here is a snip courtesy of Ancestry:

Acknown

 

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Hey- no, I’m on ancestry, but not come across this? I pop I. As much detail on the search engine- but not come across this.... wonder what I am doing wrong? 
 

many thanks 

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Here's a link. If you click: 'Search for 'John Hinchliffe' in other WWI collections' the MIC pops up, but that's not always the case, especially if his name suffered from various mis-spellings. I can't find any other docs for him; others might.

Acknown

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6 minutes ago, Acknown said:

Here's a link. If you click: 'Search for 'John Hinchliffe' in other WWI collections' the MIC pops up, but that's not always the case, especially if his name suffered from various mis-spellings. I can't find any other docs for him; others might.

Acknown

As I cannot find his service record ( I know many where destroyed in the blitz) do you think it’s worth looking up other names on that list to see if their is history of there locations ect??

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Have you seen the LLT entry for the regiment?

8th (Service) Battalion
Formed at Ayr on 1 October 1914 as part of K3 and came under orders of 77th Brigade, 26th Division. Moved to Codford St Mary and went into billets in Bristol in November 1914. Moved to Sutton Veny in April 1915.
20 September 1915 : landed at Boulogne
(see his MIC) but soon moved and by November 1915 was at Salonika.

The War Diary for the French bit starts: here (Ancestry), so you can see what they got up to thereafter until they went to Salonika. The Salonika WDs are not yet digitised (I think).

You could look up other soldiers who deployed at the same time as John, but their paths may well diverge, and it seems John was in the 1st and 1/4th Battalions at some stage, but I don't know when. Others may have more info.

Acknown

Addition: Have you tried looking at family trees on Ancestry that include him? Sometimes their researchers have additional information, but check for proof!

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I have seen, and booked marked LLT. Also, the mentioned of Gallipoli. I have a postcard of HMT Ivernia- which sailed to Gallipoli, as well as Egypt ( which my other Great Grandad went to). 
 

I have also looked at others tree research to see if anything has flagged up, sadly not. Annoyingly Johns wife Paulina lived till 99- and as a girl I used to listen to her stories and she would show me all the photo albums, but she never mentioned Johns WW1 role. ( I have a memory like an elephant) 

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If you know he went to Gallipoli, he may have done so to join the 1/4th Battalion (see the LLT entry). But this is supposition.

The 1/4th Battalion's War Diary is on Ancestry: click here.

Acknown

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It’s not for certain- just the postcard was amongst a collection- but to which relative was a mystery?

Now leans more towards my Hinchliffe side. 

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This seems to link with Johns journey more with regards to where the RSF ended the war too- as we have these sports medals with location and dates?

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The 1/4th and 1/5th Royal Scots Fusiliers served together in the 155th Infantry Brigade of the 52nd Lowland Division.

In May 1915 they embarked for the Dardanelles, sailing from Liverpool on 21 May and arriving at Mudros, Greece on 29 May.

On 7 Jun 1915 the battalion landed at Gallipoli and remained there until Jan 1916 when it was withdrawn to Egypt.

During 1917-18 they served in Palestine and were part of Allenby's Army. They fought in the Battles that allowed Allenby to capture Jerusalem leading up to December 1917. You will find a lot of info. on this thread that applies to the 1/4th Bn. too (the WDs for the Palestine campaign are not digitised): 

https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/286223-15th-bn-royal-scots-fusiliers/?tab=comments#comment-2949538

They moved to France in April 1918.

 

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4 hours ago, Claire Bhela said:

This seems to link with Johns journey more with regards to where the RSF ended the war too- as we have these sports medals with location and dates?

 

Sorry I'm missing the important detail on that medallion Clare.

Can you fill in the blanks?

 

Winners. 155  ??? Bde. League

 

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44 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Winners. 155  ??? Bde. League

 

"Winner's 

155 Inf. Bde. League

Jurbise (Belgium)

1918-19"

 

Jusbise is just north of Mons.

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"INF"?

That's  what I was expecting, but I just could not make it out to be rhat, it looks a bit like JHF.

Mind you ,there's so much damage on the medal and with blur and flash reflection...

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Hey, not ignoring you all, at work - I’m at the mercy of the poor images too ( elderly relative took the images) I’ve more on the computer at home. 

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1 hour ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

"INF"?

That's  what I was expecting, but I just could not make it out to be rhat, it looks a bit like JHF.

Mind you ,there's so much damage on the medal and with blur and flash reflection...

I suspect it was used as a watch fob, Dai.  Sports medals often were.

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33 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said:

I suspect it was used as a watch fob, Dai.  Sports medals often were.

Hey, no- blank faced medals. I have held these. I also used to work at Fox Lines APTC- they have a sports museum. Blanks where offered out for the soldiers to use to make these kind of medals 

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1 hour ago, Claire Bhela said:

Hey, no- blank faced medals. I have held these. I also used to work at Fox Lines APTC- they have a sports museum. Blanks where offered out for the soldiers to use to make these kind of medals 

Yes I understand that Claire, am familiar with the system regarding blanks.  Have had to organise inscriptions in the past.  I’m just making the point that old soldiers (retiree/pensioners) of those days often used their sports medals from service past as fobs for their pocket watch.  When that has occurred it’s usually evident from the dents and scratches showing hard wear.

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4 hours ago, Claire Bhela said:

This chap seems to have ‘walked a similar path’ to my grandad 

Alexander Gray went to France with the 2nd Battalion on 6th September 1915, but John Hinchliffe went to France with the 8th (Service) Bn. who landed at Boulogne on 20 September 1915, but soon moved by November 1915 to Salonika.

The 1/4th Bn. had Sailed from Liverpool on 21 May 1915, going via Mudros to Gallipoli, where the battalion disembarked on 7 June 1915.

 

Some soldiers who started with the 8th Bn. (landed in France on 20/9/1915) later moving to the 1/4th Bn. were:

Thomas McPike 16592

Albert George Patchett 15564 (drowned 15 April 1917)*

Richard Storrie 16627

 

*From Wiki article: 'On 15 April 1917 Arcadian was en route from Thessaloniki (Salonika) to Alexandria with a company of 1,335 troops and crew and escorted by a Japanese Navy destroyer. Shortly after completing a boat drill , while 26 miles north east of the Greek island of Milos , Arcadian was hit by a single torpedo from the German submarine SM UC-74 and sank within six minutes with the loss of 279 lives.' 

 

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