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SoldatJV
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Good day, everyone, 

 

Can anyone please help with identifying the associated regiment for this cap? Believe it's pre-WW1 3rd Dragoon Guards.

 

Thanks.

 

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3rd (Prince of Wales’s Own) Dragoon Guards forage cap 1906 is correct.  It replaced the pill box type.

 

 

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Thanks, FROGSMILE. I notice in the picture that it has yellow piping around the top and mine doesn't?  

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17 hours ago, SoldatJV said:

Thanks, FROGSMILE. I notice in the picture that it has yellow piping around the top and mine doesn't?  

Yes that seems odd.  I don’t know the answer, but most of the coloured forage caps introduced in 1906 did have piping around the top edge.  The buttons are army general service pattern, but it’s not difficult to retrofit them to make an obscure cap more attractive.  I don’t know what other organisation or unit might have worn such a cap.  I vaguely recall Royal Canadian Mounted Police wearing something similar for a period, but I’m unsure when.  Another possibility might be a Yeomanry regiment if there was one with yellow facings.  Again, I am unsure.

 

NB. two possibilities worth investigation are the King’s Own Norfolk Yeomanry, and the Sussex Yeomanry, who apparently both had yellow facings.

 

Image of contemporary forage cap (1906) courtesy of the Worcestershire Regiment museum under fair dealing.

 

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7 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

Yes that seems odd.  I don’t know the answer, but most of the coloured forage caps introduced in 1906 did have piping around the top edge.  The buttons are army general service pattern, but it’s not difficult to retrofit them to make an obscure cap more attractive.  I don’t know what other organisation or unit might have worn such a cap.  I vaguely recall Royal Canadian Mounted Police wearing something similar for a period, but I’m unsure when.  Another possibility might be a Yeomanry regiment if there was one with yellow facings.  Again, I am unsure.

 

NB. two possibilities worth investigation are the King’s Own Norfolk Yeomanry, and the Sussex Yeomanry.

 

Image of contemporary forage cap (1906) courtesy of the Worcestershire Regiment museum under fair dealing.

 

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I'm starting to think you're right. It could be Royal Northwest Mounted Police or Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Again, many thanks for your help. 

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9 minutes ago, SoldatJV said:

 

I'm starting to think you're right. It could be Royal Northwest Mounted Police or Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Again, many thanks for your help. 

I’m sorry I couldn’t be more positive.  The RCMP seems like a possibility.  If it was Yeomanry I’d expect to see regimental rather than GS buttons.

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If the provenance of the hat is before 1920, then it is likely a Royal Northwest Mounted Police forage or duty hat.  (The RCMP did not exist until 1920.)

 

The RNWP serving in France and Flanders would have worn the khaki soft hat that everybody wore.  In England  the yellow ribbon hat may have been worn.

 

It is common for police officers to trade hats, either formally or informally.  I can't tell you how many Bobby helmets I have seen in Canadian detachments.  So it could be a post-war trade.

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3 minutes ago, Broznitsky said:

If the provenance of the hat is before 1920, then it is likely a Royal Northwest Mounted Police forage or duty hat.  (The RCMP did not exist until 1920.)

 

The RNWP serving in France and Flanders would have worn the khaki soft hat that everybody wore.  In England  the yellow ribbon hat may have been worn.

 

It is common for police officers to trade hats, either formally or informally.  I can't tell you how many Bobby helmets I have seen in Canadian detachments.  So it could be a post-war trade.

It would help to know if RNWMP and/or RCMP used general service buttons as seen in the original poster’s photos, although as mentioned they might have been retrofitted to add a missing chin strap.

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