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1908 Pattern Bayonet Frog


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peregrinvs

Would be interested in some opinions on the originality of this 1908 Pattern bayonet frog. The price paid was expensive for a repro, but very reasonable for an original. (Assuming the black stuff will clean off)  I had a good look at it and decided it was worth a gamble. What do others think?

 

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Almost certainly Ulster Special Constabulary -“B Specials”.  2nd issue pattern, not a copy and in nice order, especially if you can get some/all of the dye out of it. Pattern 1908 frogs in good condition have never been easy to find, so a good call in buying it in my opinion. Alternatively there’s a skeleton USC set for sale on the internet at the moment, with a very tatty frog !

 

Pete
 

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Looking at style of rivets, patination and pattern of weave, I would say that it has some good age to it.

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peregrinvs

The result after a couple of soaks in dye remover. I’m now almost certain it is a real one and it has been added to my P08 set to replace a repro frog. Just need to do the same with the repro helve carrier now... 😉

 

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Waggoner

Very nice! What does the strap at the bottom attach to?

 

All the best,

 

Gary

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10 hours ago, peregrinvs said:

The result after a couple of soaks in dye remover. I’m now almost certain it is a real one and it has been added to my P08 set to replace a repro frog. Just need to do the same with the repro helve carrier now... 😉

 

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Very nice peregrinvs,

that dye remover has done a very reasonable job, thanks for sharing the results.

 

Dave.

 

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paulowen

On the subject of 08 Pattern frogs, can anyone remind me what the purpose of the hole cut into the back of the belt section of the webbing. (as attached.) You see this modification a lot and I used to know what it was for but seem to have forgotten!

 

And does anyone have any suggestions for the unit marking? I think it's LY so maybe London Yeomanry?

 

Thanks

Paul

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4 hours ago, paulowen said:

On the subject of 08 Pattern frogs, can anyone remind me what the purpose of the hole cut into the back of the belt section of the webbing. (as attached.) You see this modification a lot and I used to know what it was for but seem to have forgotten!

 

And does anyone have any suggestions for the unit marking? I think it's LY so maybe London Yeomanry?

 

Thanks

Paul

 

Paul, I believe the holes were improvised to fit over the belt hook of the jacket to hold the frog and bayonet in place when worn in “walking out” mode, rather than as part of the full set.

 

Pete

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paulowen

That rings a bell! Thanks for that Pete.

Paul

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Another before’n’after of removing black dye from webbing. In this case an RN 1919 Pattern cutlass frog. This took several goes and I decided to stop trying to remove every last bit of black dye lest I remove too much original khaki dye with it. The bonus is that it hasn’t removed the original markings.

 

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