73534 pte john ballinger 13th royal welsh fusiliers help please

[weshallremember]

good evening

73534 pte john ballinger

 k i a 8th ocboter 1918

with the 13th royal welsh fusiliers

looking for any service details 

birth info i think he was born in wales ???

thanks

trevor  

 

[IPT]

Son of Adam and Fannie Ballinger, of 5, The Crescent, Anson Estate, Longsight, Manchester.

 

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/323868/JOHN BALLINGER/

 

1911 census

 

Household    Role    Sex    Age    Birthplace
Adam Ballinger    Head    Male    42    Wostershire Ombersley, Worcestershire
Fanny Ballinger    Wife    Female    44    Wostershire North Piddle, Worcestershire
Adam Ballinger    Son    Male    18    Manchester Hulme
Arthur Ballinger    Son    Male    14    Manchester Hulme
Harry Ballinger    Son    Male    7    Manchester Hulme
Jack Ballinger    Son    Male    12    Manchester Hulme

[weshallremember]

so was his name john or jack ????

[IPT]

Jack is generally an informal version of John.  He had appeared as John on the  1911 1901 census.

 

 

Edited 4 May , 2021 by IPT
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[Matlock1418]

 

42 minutes ago, weshallremember said:

k i a 8th ocboter 1918

with the 13th royal welsh fusiliers

looking for any service details

Battalion War Diary http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7354150 - for general situation

:-) M

[PRC]

John Ballinger, born 8th November 1898, the son Adam Ballinger, a Carter, and Fanny Carter, was baptised at St Stephens, Hulme on the 20th November 1898. The family were living then at 4 Fearnley Buildings.

https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Manchester/Hulme/ststephen/baptisms_1898-1901.html

 

Medal Index Card only shows Victory Medal and British War Medal, so didn’t serve in a Theatre of War until on or after the 1st January 1916.

 

No previous unit information given on Soldiers Died in the Great War. He is shown as born and enlisted Manchester.

 

John is buried in the Moulin de Pierre British Cemetery. The CWGC webpage for that cemetery shows:-

 

Location information

 

Villers Outreaux is a village situated in the western part of the Department of the Nord, just adjacent to its southern most border, 20 kilometres south of Cambrai. Moulin De Pierre British Cemetery is 3 kilometres north of Villers Outreaux and is built at the side of the D76, which connects Villers Outreaux with the village of Lesdain.

 

History information

 

Villers-Outreau was cleared by the 38th (Welsh) Division and Tanks, after heavy fighting, on the 8th October, 1918. Moulin-de-Pierre British Cemetery is on the Chemin du Moulin-de-Pierre, a road going North from Villers-Outreau and passing a stone mill whose ruins were used as a German machine-gun emplacement. There are now nearly 50, 1914-18 war casualties commemorated in this site. All of whom fell on the 8th October, 1918.

https://www.cwgc.org/visit-us/find-cemeteries-memorials/cemetery-details/33501/MOULIN-DE-PIERRE BRITISH CEMETERY/

 

The Landships site has a (brief) webpage on the tank side of the attack, but no specific mention of the 13th RWF. The Brigade of which they were part, the 113th, are referenced as supposed to have taken the first objective by 8am so that the 114th could pass through.

https://sites.google.com/site/landships/home/narratives/1918/100days/cambrai-1918---8-to-9-october-1st-3rd-and-4th-armies/11-battalion-8-october-1918

 

War Diary is available to down load for free from the National Archive – you just need to sign in with your account.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7354150

 

Hope that helps,

Peter

[mancpal]

To throw a small spanner in the works my uncle Jack (coincidentally from Chorlton-on Medlock , next to Hulme) turned out to have been christened Thomas. I only discovered this when I went to see him after his move into a care home, The nurse that answered the door denied knowledge of a Jack so I tried John (logically I thought) which was when I found out the truth. I haven't come across Thomas becoming Jack before or since and don't know the origin in this case.

 

Simon

[Hywyn]

His RWF number was allocated early November 1917 (He might have transferred in e.g from a Training Bn)

 

He appears on a War Office RWF wounded list dated 11 6 1918. There's usually 4 to 6 weeks from event to list publication date.

 

He's on AVL at 8 Wood Street, Hulme Polling District.

[Swinesheadvillage]

Hi Trevor

 

Following on from Hywyn, there are four medical reports  on FMP covering a wound received serving with B company, 16th Battalion RWF. Admitted to 18th General Hospital, GSW forehead, 24th April 1918. Treatment was stitches. Courtesy of FMP:-

 

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2%2FGBM%2FMH106%2FMH106-1193%2F0031&parentid=GBM%2FMH106%2FP2%2F300553

 

Hope this helps

 

Kind Regards

 

Derek

[PRC]

22 hours ago, PRC said:

John Ballinger, born 8th November 1898

 

Given that date of birth he was probably called up in the three months after his 18th birthday – 8th November 1916. He wouldn’t have gone overseas until his 19th Birthday – so probably why his Royal Welsh Fusiliers dates from November 1917.

 

9 hours ago, Swinesheadvillage said:

Following on from Hywyn, there are four medical reports  on FMP covering a wound received serving with B company, 16th Battalion RWF. Admitted to 18th General Hospital,

 

Soldiers didn’t routinely transfer between Battalions unless it suited the Army. However having been medically evacuated back as far as the coast, as witnessed by his treatment at the 18th General Hospital., on recovery he was probably sent to an Infantry Depot Base rather than returned to his Battalion. It must be likely this was the point at which he was transferred to the 13th Battalion, Royal Welsh Fusiliers.

 

Link to the 13th Battalion War Diary at the National Archive had already been posted.

Here’s the one for the 16th Battalion: https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7354154

 

Cheers,

Peter

 

 

Edited 5 May , 2021 by PRC
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[weshallremember]

wonderful help again from the people on this site

many thanks to everybody

helps put a story together of another brave young man 

[weshallremember]

this is why i wanted the information

 

 

[weshallremember]

would like your opinion on the disc's

they are both marked  73534 j ballinger

c of e

rwf

 

[weshallremember]

better pic of red disc info