Skipman Posted 30 April , 2021 Share Posted 30 April , 2021 Would there be any chance of finding out why this RASC man was awarded the Military Medal. Private M2/177136 Alexander Urquhart Army Service Corps (attached Canadians) is mentioned in a newspaper report in April 1918 which says "Wounded-Driver Alexander Urquhart MM, MTC, attached Canadians, son of Mr and Mrs Urquhart Chemical House, Kinloch Rannoch-by liquid fire in action." I assume the medal was awarded for the incident involving the liquid fire If I knew which particular unit of the ASC, and if he was attached to the Canadians, with a date and unit I might be able to figure out any incident, but cannot find a service record that helps with his unit, there's no service record and no citation. Any help appreciated. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 30 April , 2021 Share Posted 30 April , 2021 Gazette Right hand column 3/4 way down. No doubt the header will be several pages earlier so scroll back https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30389/supplement/11973 SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 19 NOVEMBER, 1917. 11973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggoner Posted 30 April , 2021 Share Posted 30 April , 2021 Mike, This might take awhile but you could search through the on-line War Diaries of the mechanized units of the CASC. You might find him mentioned by name of at least mention of the incident. Good luck! All the best, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 30 April , 2021 Share Posted 30 April , 2021 MT Companies ASC attached to Canadian Corps listed in Young: 721 Corps Troops SC 415 1DSC 722 2DSC 724 3DSC 785 4DSC 402 CC Siege Park Corps Amm. Pk. 412 1ASP 723 2ASP 725 3ASP 786 4ASP 1119 Motor Mach. Gun Co 1120 Cdn.Eng. MTCo. DSC - Div Supp Col ASP - Amm. Sub Pk. Diaries available in NA on WO95/1080, 81 & 82. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 30 April , 2021 Share Posted 30 April , 2021 The MM Index Card states the unit he was with when he earned his award (TNA ref. WO 372/23/178167): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 30 April , 2021 Author Share Posted 30 April , 2021 43 minutes ago, jonbem said: Gazette Right hand column 3/4 way down. No doubt the header will be several pages earlier so scroll back https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30389/supplement/11973 SUPPLEMENT TO THE LONDON GAZETTE, 19 NOVEMBER, 1917. 11973 Excellent, thank you jonbem. By the header do you mean "His Majesty the KING has been graciouslypleased to approve of the award of aBar to the Military Medal to the under-mentioned Non - Commissioned Officersand Men :—" Thanks waggoner and thank you Dai, I will see what I can find. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 30 April , 2021 Author Share Posted 30 April , 2021 Just now, Ivor Anderson said: The MM Index Card states the unit he was with when he earned his award (TNA ref. WO 372/23/178167): Ah, Ivor, that is fantastic. Thank you very much indeed. I had completely forgotten about these cards. Much obliged. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 30 April , 2021 Share Posted 30 April , 2021 3 minutes ago, Skipman said: By the header do you mean "His Majesty the KING has been graciouslypleased to approve of the award of aBar to the Military Medal to the under-mentioned Non - Commissioned Officersand Men :—" yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 30 April , 2021 Share Posted 30 April , 2021 (edited) Going by H. Williamson's books I think his MM may have been for August-September 1917 (3rd Ypres). The MM Card looks like 'attached Signal Sub section, 2nd Canadian Heavy Artillery Group'? Edited 30 April , 2021 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 30 April , 2021 Author Share Posted 30 April , 2021 1 minute ago, Ivor Anderson said: Going by H. Williamson's books I think it may have been for August-September 1917 (3rd Ypres). Thanks you again that's really great info, will see what I can find' Thanks again also jonbem Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 30 April , 2021 Author Share Posted 30 April , 2021 Don't see a 2nd CHAG in the drop down menu. Any idea which might be the best bet here. Had a look at a couple and not seeing anything. Happy to go through them all but if anyone reckons they know the best one to start with, would appreciate help. CEF War Diaries Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 30 April , 2021 Share Posted 30 April , 2021 (edited) 2nd Brigade, Canadian Garrison Artillery maybe? I'm guessing tgey had 4he same change of nomenclature that the RGA had in late 1917? 2nd Canadian HAG , CGA were ar Vimy for example https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Battle_of_Vimy_Ridge_order_of_battle Edited 30 April , 2021 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 30 April , 2021 Author Share Posted 30 April , 2021 Thanks Dai, will have a look at that first. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 30 April , 2021 Author Share Posted 30 April , 2021 This might be the right diary, but not sure. Will go through it and see if anything jumps out. 2nd Canadian Heavy Battery Not quite sure in what capacity a British RASC soldier would be attached to 2nd Heavy Artillery Battery Signal Sub Section, or whether they would have a separate diary. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 30 April , 2021 Share Posted 30 April , 2021 MM Card says "ASC (M.T.)" - Motor Transport? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 30 April , 2021 Author Share Posted 30 April , 2021 On 01/05/2021 at 05:12, Ivor Anderson said: MM Card says "ASC (M.T.)" - Motor Transport? That's true. No diary for them i don't think. So a ASC (MT) soldier attached to 2ndCandian Heavy Artillery Battery Signal Sub Section. No idea what he would be doing or where to look. I'm in the process of getting back to the CEF Study Group Forum after losing password and various glitches, will see what they think. Meanwhile, many thnks indeed for all help and all suggestions most welcome. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 30 April , 2021 Share Posted 30 April , 2021 Would these be relevant? http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/12f650c924a54674bee23c3860cd669b http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/6d4d2ae4b16b45589b29941be3924752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 30 April , 2021 Author Share Posted 30 April , 2021 Thanks again Ivor. I think those ones are for the 1st Canadian HAG but (tomorrow) I will check out the Canadian WO diaries for the 2nd Canadian Division, I had not thought to look there either. Thanks for your continued interest and help. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 30 April , 2021 Share Posted 30 April , 2021 2 hours ago, Skipman said: So a ASC (MT) soldier attached to 2ndCandian Heavy Artillery Battery Signal Sub Section. No idea what he would be doing Dispatch rider? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardenerbill Posted 30 April , 2021 Share Posted 30 April , 2021 2 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said: MM Card says "ASC (M.T.)" - Motor Transport? Mechanical Transport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATNOMIS Posted 1 May , 2021 Share Posted 1 May , 2021 He returned Home and lived at Chemical House, Kinloch Rannoch Fortingall. He was on the voting census until 1939. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 1 May , 2021 Author Share Posted 1 May , 2021 Thanks ATNOMIS. Have seen the newspaper clip but had not looked at the 1939 Register. Will have a look at the NA diaries that Ivor linked to. Also see if anyone at the CEF Study Group Forum has any thought (when access) Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 3 May , 2021 Author Share Posted 3 May , 2021 I've had a look at a few diaries without success. Bit of a needle in a haystack and not sure which haystack to look in yet. When manage to access the CEF Study Group Forum will ask about there and see if can find which unit diary might be worth a look. My continued thanks to all and will report back if find anything. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggoner Posted 3 May , 2021 Share Posted 3 May , 2021 Mike, if you posted your query here, I could repost it on the CEFSG on your behalf. All the best, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipman Posted 3 May , 2021 Author Share Posted 3 May , 2021 52 minutes ago, Waggoner said: Mike, if you posted your query here, I could repost it on the CEFSG on your behalf. All the best, Gary Thanks Gary. I'm in touch with them and hope to have it sorted soon. I registered years ago and posted quite a bit then had a password problem or some glitch. If I have any further problems i will take you up on your kind offer. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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