Bayonets of Austro-Ugrian Empire

[AndyBsk]

Hello collectors, as the Austria-Ugria empire bayonets are not extra presented here on forum, i proof add some of that pieces for presentation. I hope my english is  usable. 

Here as a first piece a Mannlicher M95 for long rifle and for mans ranking, scabbard produced in WW1 period without ball finial, maker is OEWG for Oesterreichische Waffenfabriks Gesellschaft in Steyr. Largest armory for hand firearms in AU Empire. Is complete with origin frog, this piece was found in atic  some years ago, the blade is imperial doubble head eagle proofed, bayonet was serialed on crossguard with last 2 digits to the rifle, no units stamps on pommel.

This is the most frequentable bayonet of WW1, used in Austria, Hungary, CSR, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Romania in long period prior 1945.

Blade lenght 250mm,

overal lenght 362mm ,

barell ring MRD is 15mm,

height of barell ring over handle 13mm,

fixing dimmension is 89mm,

width on ricasso is 23mm,

-the edge of blade is oriented in upper position by attached on rifle. 

[Steve1871]

The bayonet pics I sent you, you said, by my markings, it is Hungarian or Bulgarian, I can not find the post. This bayonet you show here.Steyr, looks identical to mine. Except for maker, they are the same, right?

The blades are Blade Up. The M95 bayonets were also made standard style with blade down, right?

[AndyBsk]

You have there the pictures, the bayonet that You have is made in Budapest not Steyr, was made for short rifle, called Stutzen M95 and have additional sight on barell ring, otherway the other details are identical, M95 bayonet has always edge oriented up, no edges on down position when mounted on rifle. the pictures are still in our pm post avialable.

Edited 22 April , 2021 by AndyBsk

[AndyBsk]

here is added a picture of Steve1871 M95 Stutzen bayonet (for short rifle), made in Budapest with additional sight on barell ring of crossguard.

[AndyBsk]

Second piece that is presented here is similar to first one for long rifle Mannlicher M95 but this for NCO ranks, which woried the Porteeppee on handle. Difference is in hook on end of crosspiece and added sling ring on pommel for binding Porteeppee.  Here a OEWG Steyr marked piece, with black painted standard scabbard. 

 

[MikeyH]

Andy,

I have just 2 Austro Hungarian bayonets.  The first three photos are of a Nickel plated example.

It must have been kept in a scabbard for many years, this has preserved the plating on

the blade, which is original condition, apart from one side of the tip.  The hilt has no

plating left apart from a tiny speck on the pommel.  The mark is OEWG, with a very

clear Imperial Eagle on the other side of the ricasso. The top of the blade carries

the cutting edge.

The second has an Imperial Eagle on the ricasso, but no makers mark.

 The very faint makers stamp on the frog stud, again looks like OEWG.  The cutting

edge of the blade on this one is again on the top.

The scabbard has some traces of green paint present.

Regards,

Mike.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AndyBsk]

Thanks for sharing the pieces, the first one when walking dress version as nickel plated was used mostly out of service, here upgraded from service bayonet, this were realised mainly postwar. As normally service bayonets were out of service with removing or striking of eagle stamp. 

Second one is most real a WW1 production by small firm, that started life as a normal M95 long rifle bayonet for man ranking, and the hook on guard was added same as ring on pommel, when changed the range of soldier to NCO, very nice trace of origin green color on scabbard from Steyr piece. Should be examined detailed the hook area, as the hook itself is too small to compare fabric produced.

[AndyBsk]

Piece Nr3 already presented here by Steve, is a Mannlicher M1895 knife Bayonet with addition sight on barell ring, here on a Budapest produced piece, the scabbard was probably postwar painted black. These bayonets were mounted on Short rifles Stutzen M95 and since late 1914 on Carbines M95, in that period was raised a special combination weapon a StutzenKarabiner M95  which means both system of sling attachment was applied on the design. 

 

[Steve1871]

Great shape, do you have the rifle or pic’s somewhere to show closely this bayonet attached to rifle to better show the sight when mounted?

[AndyBsk]

Unfortunally i dont have similar complete in photo. i added here a original manual interwars front part of Repetier Stutzen M95 with bayonet, note the additional sights and a period picture from 1938 of austrian soldiers with M95/30 Stutzens already by Wehrmacht.

 

 

[Steve1871]

Thanks, I did not know that the 95 short rifle had the side mounted stacking rod like the Y1903 Mannlicher?

[AndyBsk]

The stacking rod is from M95 probably as greek M1903 is later design.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannlicher_M1895

[Steve1871]

Thanks, Just interesting that both have same type stacking rod, thick and off set. Most rifles, troops used the cleaning rods to interlock in 3 gun brace and add more between rifles

[AndyBsk]

Piece Nr4 is a Mannlicher M1895 knife Bayonet with additional sight on barell ring and destined for NCOs , with hook on crossguard and porteeppe sling on pommel,unfortunally here wout this as the porteeppe ring was lost,  Budapest produced piece, the scabbard is with green/khaki color painted in area of frog usind, other metall was rusted. . These bayonets were mounted on Short rifles Stutzen M95 and since late 1914 on Carbines M95,and on StutzenKarabiners also mixed version of short rifle and carbine. NCO version is the most scarce of the M95 variations.

[Steve1871]

The M.95 Mannlicher, there seem to have been many more carbine versions than rifle, used in Balkan States, and others, think all could take bayonets, The Dutch made their own, completely different bayonets, but ...

 

How many types/variations of the standard M.95 bayonet are there to collect??

Edited 12 May , 2021 by Steve1871

[AndyBsk]

4 basic types that were here already presented, and some ersatz bayonets, to this carbine/stutzen version is one emergency version with fixed pyramidal sight on barell ring.

The carbine/short rifle were postwar used in various countries that rised from Austria-ugrian empire, many long rifles M95 were in interwar period shortened to the standards of short rifle.

Same as exist some different production makers/marking to collect.

[AndyBsk]

Piece nr.5, The other well known bayonet modell used by Austria-Ugria is a M1888 modell for long rifle and man ranking, with adjustable barell ring and brighter blade with normal position of edge, the MRD should be 16,5mm as i dont have the exact modell in good quality , is presented here from my austrian collector friend  Christian W. a earlier modell M1886 Mannlicher bayonet, which is more desirable, and the only difference to M1888 is the larger ring diameter 17,5mm instead of 16,5 on M1888. production by OEWG Steyr, frog is of later production. M1886 rifle was in 11mm caliber, the M1888 in 8mm caliber. Probably the second modell with short blade 250mm used by any army, post the german S71/84 bayonet.

[AndyBsk]

Piece nr.6

M1888 Mannlicher bayonet, made by OE/WG Steyr for NCOs, with hook on crossguard end and porteepee ring on pommel,MRD is 16,5mm, barell ring is adjustable by screw,  the scabbard is mostly war period production for this modell with origin green/brown color paint and without ball finial 

 

[GROBBY]

This is a bayonet my museum has just aquired .Can anyone give me some more information on it please. Im sure its Austro Hungarian with the revers blade

 

 

 

 

 

[AndyBsk]

The scabbard is czechoslovak Vz.95 or for old Mannlicher M95 bayonet, was produced by Zbrojovka Praga in Prague, with intertwined letters ZP in circle, the 23 means a 1923 production  between this is a czechoslovak army acceptance or proof with czech lion in diamond.

The bayonet is a castrate unfortunally, as no barell ring there, it would be not attachable on M95 rifle, as no barell ring, it was made by Steyr when OE/WG stamp, any stamps on pommel? other ricasso should be austrian doubble headed eagle or ugrian stamp, it was mostly war production piece. many were reworked this way postwar and used as farmer knifes, should be sharpened or someting else.

Edited 28 May , 2021 by AndyBsk

[Steve1871]

Hey Andy, curious, I know my only M95, blade looks old polish, but can not figure out what that small hole on front top of site is for? At first, think for tiny locking pin, but the front site piece itself , the base is too narrow, a pin in that hole would not make contact. Do you know what it is for? Is there a hole in yours? Post a pic of your site on ring M95 from the top to show please

 

[AndyBsk]

Your point is mostly for fixing the position of additional sight on the barell ring dove tail slot to not move to side, as it was shooted with a single exact Stutzen short rifle, of which it was serialed,  i have on my pieces, one point, 2 points from both sides or horizontal line on it, it various from Waffenmeister using to fix the position. 

Edited 29 May , 2021 by AndyBsk

[AndyBsk]

Piece Nr.7  MesserBajonett M1890 for M1888/90 and M1890 Mannlicher rifles, is a simplification of older M1888 bayonet, with different shape of pommel, simplified blade profile and wout adjustable barell ring, with normal MRD 16,5mm diameter. The piece of OEWG Steyr production is war beaten condition in a simplified scabbard wout ball finial and remains of origin green/grey period paint. The production should be post 1904 probably.

[trajan]

Andy, I guess you are like me? A minimum of treatment rather than an overall clean?

 

Julian

[AndyBsk]

Yes i dont like a shiny over cleaned pieces, as the patina is gone, second motive is that in USA or on other west market could be bayonets in excellent condition, which is here in middle and east of Europe hard to obtain, as majority were samples woried by grand fathers in WW1 and wrongly stored last 100 years or were used as farmer knifes in large numbers.