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Map West Vleteren


Arne Vandendriessche
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Hello everyone,

Do any of you have a map with this house on it (https://www.google.be/maps/place/50%C2%B054'08.5%22N+2%C2%B042'46.8%22E/@50.9024198,2.7129231 , 108m / data =! 3m1! 1e3! 4m9! 1m2! 2m1! 1skallestraat + 24! 3m5! 1s0x0: 0x0! 7e2! 8m2! 3d50.9023658! 4d2.7130077)?
I would like to know what the camp called.
I already know there was something about artillery because I found an artillery badge and some 18 pounder shells

Greetings Arne

 

 

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Hi Arne,

 

Unfortunately I don't have maps with any Great War features shown in that vicinity.  If anyone else is looking, the location is Sheet 19 SE4 (19.X.29.d.9.2).

 

Best of luck 

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If the co-ordinates are correct, location is red cross on the map. No trenches this far back, but probably many training/resting camps.

 

Peter

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I have had a look at some other sources but no luck. The area in question was never held by the Allies (although Dozinghem cemetery is close by), but mainly the French and later the Belgians, so British maps are rare. You may find more information in French sites such as 1914-1918 Mes Discussions, or Belgian archives. 

 

The badge and shell markings may provide some help.

 

Peter

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On 15/04/2021 at 19:00, Arne Vandendriessche said:

Do any of you have a map with this house on it (https://www.google.be/maps/place/50%C2%B054'08.5%22N+2%C2%B042'46.8%22E/@50.9024198,2.7129231 , 108m

Hi all,

 

Someone contacted me and asked how you work out which British Trench Map covers the referenced area.  It is very easy, but you need the latitude and longitude in decimal degrees.  Fortunately it is the the URL, so we don't need to do any conversions.

 

https://www.google.be/maps/place/50°54'08.5"N+2°42'46.8"E/@50.9024198,2.7129231

 

So if we take 50.9024198,2.7129231, we can paste this into tMapper.  From the menu, select Advanced Users, then Lat, Lon Jump.

 

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  Paste in 50.9024198,2.7129231 and Save.  tMapper will jump to the location and overlay any National Library of Scotland maps it can find.  In this case, they are all on the corner, but at least you know you are looking for Sheet 19 SE4 (19.X.29.d.9.2).  As others have said, there aren't many trench maps for this location but at least you know how to search if you are researching another location.

 

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Thanks,

 

These are my best finds from that meadow.
Are there any special things?

I'm going to post it with the pictures and then will endorse the names of what I think is there.

 

 

Greetings Arne

 

 

vondsten 1.jpg

Some finds together.

koppen.jpg

grenade detonators and bullets. (Retrieved demining service)

 

vondsten.jpg

Some finds together.

 

vitaphare.jpg

something of bicycle light. (vitaphare)

 

gasmasker 1.jpg

a piece of gas mask.
Anyone an idea of which one?

 

gasmasker.jpg

another piece of a gas mask.
Maybe the same?

 

 

kompas.jpg

i think this is a compass?

but there was some paper in it.
maybe something to put a picture in?

 

zakmes.jpg

a pocket knife

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here's a picture of the other side of the compass.

 

Greetings Arne

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  • 2 months later...
On 15-4-2021 at 21:41, mebu said:

Ik heb een aantal andere bronnen bekeken, maar geen geluk. Het gebied in kwestie is nooit bezet geweest door de geallieerden (hoewel de begraafplaats van Dozinghem dichtbij is), maar vooral de Fransen en later de Belgen, dus Britse kaarten zijn zeldzaam. U kunt meer informatie vinden op Franse sites zoals 1914-1918 Mes Discussions of Belgische archieven. 

Hi,

Were English camps also indicated on French maps?
Or at least the name?
And could I get a British or French map of that place from the "IWM"?

Arne

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Hi

I read in a booklet about Westvleteren during WW1 that the French were relieved in Westvleteren in June 1915 by the British.
Does this mean that the rest of the time the British were in West Vleteren? I really hope I can find information about what used to be on this old farm. There must have been something. Otherwise I wouldn't do the above finds.

Greetings Arne

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