Ivor Anderson Posted 12 April , 2021 Share Posted 12 April , 2021 On 12/04/2021 at 00:13, PRC said: (SDGW = Soldiers Died in the Great War) 3326 John McDonald. Son of Elsie and the late James McDonald, of Aberdeenshire. SDGW KiA 27/04/1916. No place of birth or residence shown. Enlisted Manchester. No surviving Service Records – FindMyPast. 3353 Thomas Durn. Son of Joseph B. and Mabel G. Durn, of 14, Green St., Withington, Manchester. SDGW "Died" 03/02/1916. No place of birth or residence shown. Enlisted Manchester. No surviving Service Records – FindMyPast. 3357 Harry Chantrell. Son of John and Mary Jane Chantrell, of 60, Queen's Rd., Gorton, Manchester. SDGW KiA 13/11/1916. No place of birth or residence shown. Enlisted Manchester. No surviving Service Records – FindMyPast. 3369 Stephen Barlow. Son of Robert Barlow, of 8, Lewis St., Miles Platting, Manchester. SDGW KiA 18/06/1915. No place of birth or residence shown. Enlisted Manchester. No surviving Service Records – FindMyPast. 3388 John Thursnon. Son of Mr. and Mrs. Thursnon, of 15, Hardman Lane, Failsworth, Manchester. SDGW KiA 18/06/1915. No place of birth or residence shown. Enlisted Manchester. No surviving Service Records – FindMyPast. In answer to Peter's question about the date of enlistment of the above casualties from 1/7th Battalion: 3321 William E. Taylor of 1/7th Battalion has an enlistment date of 18 January 1915 on his SWB entry (Ancestry image) - embarked 2-5-15 3354 Arthur Edward Hordern of 1/7th Bn. has an enlistment date of 19 January 1915 on his MIC (Ancestry image) - embarked 2-5-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 12 April , 2021 Share Posted 12 April , 2021 21 minutes ago, Ivor Anderson said: In answer to Peter's question about the date of enlistment of the above casualties from 1/7th Battalion: 3321 William E. Taylor of 1/7th Battalion has an enlistment date of 18 January 1915 on his SWB entry (Ancestry image) - embarked 2-5-15 3354 Arthur Edward Hordern of 1/7th Bn. has an enlistment date of 19 January 1915 on his MIC (Ancestry image) - embarked 2-5-15 Thanks Ivor. I tried to make a start on this myself last night and got a bit screen -weary I was trying to extend my original list on the basis that the Territorial Force renumbering at the start of 1917 had the number block 290001 to 315000 allocated to the 7th Battalions of the Gordon Highlanders. http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/a-soldiers-life-1914-1918/renumbering-of-the-territorial-force-in-1917/renumbering-the-tf-infantry-in-1917/ The 1/7th Battalion landed Boulogne on the 3rd May 1915. So while the Medal Index Card shows many instances of Gordon Highlanders from many different battalions with four digit service numbers starting 33xx, finding those who had such numbers, were later renumbered into the 290001 to 315000 range, and who landed in France on the 3rd May 1915, should bring up the contemporaries of John Arthur Barlow. Highlights from those I'd looked at:- 3315/7 & 290752 Charles M. Morton KiA 25/03/18 4th Bn. No place of birth or residence. Enlisted Manchester. No service records on FMP 3334/7 & 290763 John H Brown SWB Roll shows enlisted 19th January 1915 No service records on FMP 3335/7 & 290764 William Goodwin SWB Roll shows enlisted 19th January 1915. No service records on FMP 3342/7 & 290771 Patrick Jordan SDGW (as “Jordon”) Died of Wounds 29/06/17. No place of birth or residence. Enlisted Manchester. No service records on FMP (only 1 page memos \ scrap paper from other mens records) 3349/7 & 290777 Robert Burton SDGW KiA 25/03/18 4th Bn. No place of birth or residence. Enlisted Manchester. No service records on FMP 3364/7 & 290786 Herbert T. Cale SDGW Died of Wounds 29/07/18. No place of birth or residence. Enlisted Manchester. No service records on FMP 3375/7 & 290795 Fred E Wood SWB Roll shows enlisted 19th January 1915. No service records on FMP 3390/7 & 290801 Hedley Kay SDGW KiA 26/03/18, 7th Bn. No place of birth or residence. Enlisted Manchester. No service records on FMP So enlisted Manchester on the 19th January 1915 seems likely to be a common theme - makes you wonder if there had originally been a plan to form a Manchester Scottish Battalion of the Manchester Regiment, and when this didn't happen, the would be volunteers offered themselves en masse to the Gordon Highlanders. (There was a contingent of the 15th Battalion, Royal Scots, that did indeed go by the name of the Manchester Scottish. 550 of the original establishment were from Manchester, but this dates from September \October 1914). While I don't think we have definative proof that the National Roll of Honour J.A. Barlow and the John Arthur Barlow were one and the same, it seems to me that the co-incidences are starting to mount up. Possibly an accident or illness occurred at or after Festubert, and on recovery he was posted to another Battalion of the Gordon Highlanders which fought at Loos. Might explain his absense from Casualty Lists as far as I can see in both 1915 and 1916 under his original service number - and why he might not reference it in his National Roll bio. Cheers, Peter PS - most of the MiC examined show the original four digit number followed by /7. This ending has been struck through, and the remarks section of the card notes a Minute which gives authority to amend the service number. A few are indexed on the National Archive and Ancestry with /7 still shown, but most are just indexed with the straight 4 digit number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 12 April , 2021 Share Posted 12 April , 2021 1 hour ago, TEW said: JAB 288092 supposedly wounded and at home in 1916, then home service only? Somehow present at Battle of Vimy Ridge 1917. TEW I assumed that this referred to one of the earlier attempts 1915 or even 1916 rather than the success of 1917.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 12 April , 2021 Share Posted 12 April , 2021 Did wonder about that, an earlier action near Vimy conflated with the 1917 battle. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 12 April , 2021 Share Posted 12 April , 2021 Just now, TEW said: n earlier action near Vimy conflated with the 1917 battle. That would certainly be the case with National Roll interpretations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 12 April , 2021 Share Posted 12 April , 2021 A further distraction- looking for errors in the CasLists that might hide JAB 288092. I see the Sep 23rd 1916 Daily List (ie an Aug 1916 wounding) has a corruption of the first few names- which is where Barlow would appear. This is Genealogist's copy. Can anyone find a cleaner copy from another source to eliminate. I note plent of 3??? series nos and I agree with Peter's thinking in that there are lots of this series with (Manchester) in later cas lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 12 April , 2021 Share Posted 12 April , 2021 Does look odd, original printing error or photographing problem? Can see men with surname and number corrupted. Some members have access to The Times but I'm not sure it's searchable with any precision. Either way to be 100% certain manual browsing all of Sept is the only way. Then late Aug and early Oct. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 12 April , 2021 Share Posted 12 April , 2021 On 13/04/2021 at 03:55, TEW said: Can see men with surname and number corrupted I've now found the Scotsman listing via FindmyPast. Sadly no Barlow ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 12 April , 2021 Share Posted 12 April , 2021 The WD of the 1/7th Gordons shows them disembarking at Boulogne at 3 am on 3rd May 1915 from HMT 'Onward' having 'embarked' late on the 2nd: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin A Jones Posted 12 April , 2021 Author Share Posted 12 April , 2021 Many thanks to all who have contributed thus far. I am astounded by the breadth and depth of knowledge exhibited in these replies. I am also humbled by the generosity of time give by so many to help give these medals the context they deserve. The ideas put forward have helped me to generate a working hypothesis on their origin and how they might have come into the family. Firstly some answers to questions raised by contributors: we only have the two medals described in the initial post - the 1914-15 Star is missing. The medals are stamped with the Gordon Highlanders (service number 3325) and not the RAMC. Possible family connection: the medals were stored in a box alongside papers and medals relating to a great uncle - Lawrence Corbett born 1895 in Chester. Lawrence served in the Queens and I have his service records etc. He was a chemist by trade working for a number of years for Boots and a member of the St Johns Ambulance. The medal ribbon below was found with this collection. We don’t know a lot about Lawrence but according to the 1939 Register he was living in Prestwich, Manchester and working at Boots. Given our John Arthur Barlow was ex-RAMC, could this lead him also into the St Johns Ambulance Brigade? Also could he be the Barlow in the National Roll - living in Higher Broughton and with possible family connections in Prestwich? Interesting links but a little too much conjecture and not enough supporting evidence for me to be confident that the mystery has yet been solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 12 April , 2021 Share Posted 12 April , 2021 Thanks Martin. It's useful to know that his war & victory medals are stamped Gordon Highlanders 3325 rather than RAMC. We know that a John Arthur Barlow birth was registered in Prestwich in Q2 1896 (8d 469). This is the only John Arthur Barlow born in England in Q2 1896 (Index page on Ancestry). The family was living at 11 Whittaker Lane, Prestwich in 1901 when he was 5 (says born Prestwich). The family was living at 7 Harriet St, Higher Broughton in 1911 when he was 15 (says born in Prestwich district). If this is your John Arthur Barlow then he likely enlisted 19 January 1915 aged 18 and arrived in France on 3rd May 1915 - possibly with the 7th Battalion? Repeating the insert previously posted, he may have been repatriated wounded in August 1916: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 12 April , 2021 Share Posted 12 April , 2021 (edited) I think this is the Prestwich one - family tree on Ancestry with photos. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/107793423/person/370062127657/facts?_phsrc=AHE10907&_phstart=successSource Some inaccuracies e.g. the birth may be out by 2 years (re 1939 census date) - s/b 1896 going by 1901/11 & death record. There is no proven army service record in the tree - the RGA 120704 is not correct! Edited 13 April , 2021 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INW Posted 12 April , 2021 Share Posted 12 April , 2021 I have just come across this topic and cannot claim to have fully read it. So apologies If I am repeating anything. I have been researching my great uncle. He was George Logan of the 1/7th Gordon Highlanders. number 3365. He was of Scottish / Irish decent but was living in Manchester in 1914. My newspaper research leads me to believe that the Gordon Highlanders pin-pointed Manchester for recruitment and even had a pipe band based near there used for recruitment rallies. He survived being in the trenches virtually all of the war despite being 6ft 7inches tall. He got the Military Medal following a raid on the German trenches. He lead the Volunteer Fire Brigade in the north west of England during WW2. INW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawhiri Posted 13 April , 2021 Share Posted 13 April , 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, INW said: My newspaper research leads me to believe that the Gordon Highlanders pin-pointed Manchester for recruitment and even had a pipe band based near there used for recruitment rallies. As INW notes, lots of articles from local Manchester newspapers on the British Newspaper Archive indicating that a number of Scottish regiments were actively recruiting in Manchester in late December 1914/January 1915. Unfortunately I cannot access the full articles, but some of the headlines include: From the Manchester Evening News of Monday, 28 December 1914: Quote RECRUITING FOR SCOTTISH REGIMENTS ... place. The men recruited will attached to the and 9th Battalions Royal Scots Regiment and the Gordon Highlanders The 9th Battalion as well as the Gordon Highlanders wear kilts- ... From the Manchester Evening News of Wednesday, 30 December 1914: Quote RECRUITING REVIVAL ... at the offices of the National Service League in Oxford-street, where recruits were examined for the Royal Scots and Gordon Highlanders. During the day no fewer than 100 recruits were received, and they were not all sworn in owing to shortage of attestation ... From the Manchester Evening News of Tuesday, 19 January 1915: Quote MORE MEN NEEDED ... more successful even than they hoped be. There was a rush yesterday and to-day to the office Oxford-street where the Gordon Highlanders were accepting recruits, and the invasion from Scotland has evidently proved effective. Ia appears, however, that the ... From the Manchester Evening News of Wednesday, 20 January 1915: Quote GORDON HIGHLANDERS VISIT SALFORD ... GORDON HIGHLANDERS VISIT SALFORD Although the Salford police had only twenty minutes' notice, Superintendent Johnson arranged for couple of mounted police officers to meet the detachment of the Gordon Highlanders when they entered the borough for the ... Certainly the last two dates are consistent with the enlistment dates of a number of the soldiers previously mentioned in this thread. And from the Daily Citizen (Manchester) of Tuesday, 19 January 1915: Quote ... recruiting for the Pals. About one o'clock yesterday a band of pipers and drummers from the '7th Battalion (Territorial) Gordon Highlanders arrived in the city, and after parading the principal streets reached Albert-square, where they attracted a huge crowd ... Mention of the 7th Battalion, which would suggest people are on the right track in terms of which battalion of the Gordon Highlanders John Arthur Barlow finished up in. Edited 13 April , 2021 by Tawhiri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 13 April , 2021 Share Posted 13 April , 2021 Thank you INW & Tawhiri for your reassuring posts that the effort we've put in so far does not yet seem to be in vain! It seems strange that a Scottish regiment pipe band was playing around Manchester, but the city had large numbers of potential recruits of Scottish descent. The 7th Bn. matches his MIC 'theatre of war' entry date of 3rd May 1915 exactly. The Prestwich John Arthur Barlow (b.1896) had an older brother Frederick Stanley Barlow (b.1892) who served with the 21st Manchesters as 18154. DoE to war theatre 10 November 1915. Discharged 26 Feb 1919. He married an Emily Hacking on 30 October 1920 in St. Agnes, Manchester, and was living at 4 Duncombe St., Higher Broughton at the time. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/107793423/person/370062127488/facts John Arthur seems to have been best man (Ancestry image): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 13 April , 2021 Share Posted 13 April , 2021 On 12/04/2021 at 00:35, charlie962 said: edit- 1918 Absent Voters courtesy FindmyPast: As noted by others, the NRGC entry mentions 'special duties at various depots in Scotland and Ireland', which could include his RAMC service, & above in 1918. 288092 was a number used by many units - even for Pte. Frederick Edwards of the 6th Gordons, prev. 14th London Regt. 516905. John Bain's 303432 (like James Mackay 303440) was with 2nd Highland Field Ambulance (SWB record off Ancestry) Bain was from Aberdeen: N.B. James G. Esson 303423 was with 2nd High. FA too - enlisted 16-11-14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 13 April , 2021 Share Posted 13 April , 2021 On 13/04/2021 at 10:35, Tawhiri said: from the Daily Citizen (Manchester) of Tuesday, 19 January 1915: Quote ... recruiting for the Pals. About one o'clock yesterday a band of pipers and drummers from the '7th Battalion (Territorial) Gordon Highlanders arrived in the city, and after parading the principal streets reached Albert-square, where they attracted a huge crowd ... (Image courtesy FindMyPast) On 13/04/2021 at 10:35, Tawhiri said: From the Manchester Evening News of Wednesday, 20 January 1915: Quote GORDON HIGHLANDERS VISIT SALFORD ... GORDON HIGHLANDERS VISIT SALFORD Although the Salford police had only twenty minutes' notice, Superintendent Johnson arranged for couple of mounted police officers to meet the detachment of the Gordon Highlanders when they entered the borough for the ... (Image courtesy FindMyPast) So if they kept up the rates of that first day you could easily be looking at over 200 recruits from the Manchester, with no Scottish connection necessarily being required. Looks like the period concerned is at least the 18th - 20th January 1915, which neatly brackets the date identified for a number of the recruits so far. Cheers, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 13 April , 2021 Share Posted 13 April , 2021 They should have called them the 'pied pipers'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 13 April , 2021 Share Posted 13 April , 2021 Don't think this man has been mentioned yet. Apologies if so. 3323/7 John Young later 290756. SWB shows enlistment 20/1/15 and MIC shoes a DOE of 2/5/15. Couldn't search on the SWB, had to manually find it under Perth TG (Town Guards) 237 and a crossed out 279. Still leaves the other Nat Roll JAB as enlisted Dec 1914, supposedly. Could take that with a pinch of salt but think that only adds to the conjecture. TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 13 April , 2021 Share Posted 13 April , 2021 (edited) As TEW just said: "Still leaves the other Nat Roll JAB as enlisted Dec 1914, supposedly". I wondered about this too. There is sometimes a gap between signing up on reserve and being called up? The Nat Roll also says 'on being drafted 4 months later'. Could he have gone from a training reserve Bn. to another front line one? The account loosely fits the picture we have built up, allowing for personal embellishment of the details. Could 'Sth. Camp' on the 1918 absent voters' roll (288092) be South Camp at Ripon which was used later in the war for convalescents? https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/88700-south-camp-ripon-records/ Edited 13 April , 2021 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 13 April , 2021 Share Posted 13 April , 2021 From WD. The 1/7th Bn. was at Authuille, SW of Thiepval & N. of Albert in late Sept. - 20th October 1915 - a long was from Loos! Might it be possible that a private who had never been in France before heard certain places mentioned and thought he was closer to them? They were inspected by HM the King at Martinsart on 25th October 1915. They were back in the trenches at Authuille from 30th Oct. to 16 Nov. 1915. They were in trenches at Aveluy from 22 Nov. to 5 Dec. 1915. Back in Authuille from 11-21st December 1915. 20-28 Feb. 1916 in trenches at Maricourt. Much of March 1916 to 7th April 1916 in trenches at Neuville St Vast (Pte. Thomas Scarborough 3449 wounded 7 April - enlisted 2 Feb. 1915) Back in trenches at Neuville St Vast 14 April to 1st May 1916. Back in trenches there 10-24 May 1916. Maroeuil area most of June & into July 1916. 5th July 1916 back to trenches at Neuville St Vast until 13th. 21st July 1916 moved into high Wood/ Caterpillar Wood area (22nd) then Mametz (26th), Bazentin (30th) & High Wood 31st July-1st August 1916. They were in support trenches near Le Touret (E of Bethune) 20-25th May 1915. Thought Festubert checks out: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 13 April , 2021 Share Posted 13 April , 2021 Newspaper reports put up by pjc are mid January 1915, around the time the men found so far enlisted or at least attested. The Dec 1914 is difficult. If for any reason he was absent from 1/7 GH for an extended period he may have been re-posted to another GH TF unit. Medal details frequently don't mention every unit or number served with. Still don't get the idea if they are one and the same man that RAMC & 303443 were home service only but show on medal records. While I'm at it: South Camp, Nig.? TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 13 April , 2021 Share Posted 13 April , 2021 (edited) On 13/04/2021 at 14:13, TEW said: Newspaper reports put up by pjc are mid January 1915, around the time the men found so far enlisted or at least attested. The Dec 1914 is difficult. All very valid questions TEW. Comparing service numbers and enlistment dates of 1/7th men who received War Badges shows the numbers are chronological with the enlistment dates: Of course there will appear to be some outliers as the 7th Bn. was recruiting in various locations! SERVICE no. Name enlistment date 2394 Kenna Michael 19-01-1915 2694 Howitt Robert 24-08-1914 2707 Middleton J. 31-08-1914 2721 Booth R. 07-09-1914 2754 Dempster Harry 08-09-1914 2780 Cattanach G ? (Died 26-07-1916) 2817 Candlish H ? (Died 26-07-1916) 2841 Imlach I ? (Died 29-07-1916) 2902 Wishart J W 09-10-1914 2961 Stewart D. 06-11-1914 3103 Harrison J M 20-12-1914 3116 McIntosh A 04-01-1915 3127 Gorman J. 05-01-1915 3143 Buchan T R 09-01-1915 3144 McKenzie H. C. 09-01-1915 3206 Burnett Alex 06-01-1915 3218 Later George Norman ? (Fish salesman age 18, b. Manchester 3/12/92 in 1911. In theatre 2-5-15, KIA 7-1-17) 3233 Yates A. 18-01-1915 3261 McKellar Hugh ? (later 241009) 3282 Cosgrove Chas. 19-01-1915 3295 Derbyshire E. 11-01-1915 3310 Lyman James ? (later 290750 & 1st Bn.) 3311 Smith Ernest ? (later 290751) 3315 Morton Charles M ? (later 290752 & 4th Bn.) 3321 Taylor Wm. E. 18-01-1915 3323 Young John 20-01-1915 3324 Lally John M. ? (In France 2-5-15, later 290757 & 6/7th Bn., discharged 5-4-19) 3325 Barlow John Arthur ? (Charles Norrie 3325 with 5th Bn.) 3326 McDonald John ? (in theatre from 2-5-15) KiA 27-04-1916 aged 21 - from Aberdeen 3329 Watson Samuel ? (later 290759 & 1st Bn.) 3330 Bintcliffe Godfrey ? (later 290760) 7th, later 4th Bn. Sgt., awarded MSM 3332 Tomlinson Fred ? (later 290761) 3333 Brown George L ? (in theatre 2-5-15 Drummer DCM 1917) (Piper Peter McKellar 3333 later 241047 with 6/7th?) 3334 Brown John H 19-01-1915 3335 Goodwin Wm 19-01-1915 3342 Jordan Patrick ? (Died of wounds 29-06-17 as no. 290771) 3349 Burton Robert ? (KIA 25-03-1918) 3354 Hordern Arthur E 19-01-1915 3364 Cale Herbert T ? (Died of wounds 29-07-18 as 290786) 3375 Wood Fred E 19-01-1915 3390 Kay Hedley ? (KIA 26-03-18) 3395 Harris J. E. 19-01-1915 3401 Smith Percy 20-01-1915 3421 Wilson P. 23-01-1915 3454 Aaronson Emile 01-12-1915 3471 Laing Robert ? (in theatre 2-5-1915) 3493 Wood Alexander 16-02-1915 3494 Norrie George 20-02-1915 3498 Laing Peter ? (in theatre 2-5-15) 3585 Dalgarne A. 26-05-1915 3590 Carroll Chas 02-06-1915 3616 Tribble A R 08-06-1915 3639 Coutts A P ? (Died 07-01-1917) 3671 Willock A ? (Died 26-07-1916) 3754 Snook H. 26-07-1915 3779 Grant George 03-08-1915 3792 Saunders Wm. 03-08-1915 3794 Hardy F ? (Died 26-07-1916) 3821 Dennis Wm. Jas. 06-08-1915 3859 Mason Arch'd 25-08-1915 3940 Ockender Wm. 26-01-1916 4000 edmund C. McI 09-02-1916 4021 Still G. 08-06-1915 4276 McGilvray Alex 01-12-1915 4316 Ironside A. 09-02-1916 4494 Walker George 04-12-1915 4671 Thomson R S 02-02-1916 4776 Smith Robt. 26-06-1916 4952 Forbes John 20-05-1916 4996 Hopkins Edwin 07-06-1916 5131 Thompson Arthur 27-11-1916 Edited 14 April , 2021 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 13 April , 2021 Share Posted 13 April , 2021 4 hours ago, TEW said: Newspaper reports put up by pjc are mid January 1915, around the time the men found so far enlisted or at least attested. The Dec 1914 is difficult. The self-penned bio's in the National Roll I suspect in a significant number of cases were how the man wanted to tell the story of their great war rather than being fastidious with their facts. Enlisting in 1914 sounds better than 1915, particularly as the earlier year was only "missed" by 19 days. In the few bio's that I have been able to tie in to service records there seems to be a certain amount of playing fast and loose with the truth. You can almost see the genesis of family legends that will cause so many posts on GWF. One of my favourities in the National Roll was a man who stated he had seen action Action at Mons, the Somme, Ypres and Cambrai. He wrote them in that order, which made him sound like an Old Contemptible who had seen fighting in the major battles of the war. But he was 19, went out in April 1918, and yes he did see action in those locations, (in 1918), just not in that order. He hadn't lied but was perhaps a tad disingenous. 5 hours ago, TEW said: Still don't get the idea if they are one and the same man that RAMC & 303443 were home service only but show on medal records. Not unknown. The clerks making out the Service Medal Roll and the associated MiC would have needed something to be able to tie the entries back to the current reference for his records in case of queries. It would also explain to those having to authorise the medals why the RAMC were issuing medals showing his Gordon Highlanders service number. Cheers, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 14 April , 2021 Share Posted 14 April , 2021 Thanks Peter. That makes good sense. Also, he may only have known each location he served at in relation to important local places. A Charles Norrie 3325 was with the 5th Gordons (Ancestry image), so that increases the likelihood that John Arthur Barlow was with the 7th Bn. I have also updated my previous list of service nos. to include known 7th Bn. soldiers either side of John: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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