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Hussars 18472 F W McCann. Leicestershire's 19361. Worcestershire's 23306.


Steve Turner

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I am continuing the search for clues about my GG Uncle who fell on 8th Oct 1918. Frank William is known to have (from the limited records) to have enlisted in Sept 1914. From the medal rolls we know that he had a brief spell in the Hussars, and another brief spell with the Leicestershire Regiment before joining the 3rd Worcestershire Regiment in France in July of 1915 and then joining the 7th Company MGC on its formation in Jan 1916 until being kia on Oct 1918.

 

Can anyone please tell me where his Hussars service number might have been issued? Can his service number give us any clues? Is it possible to work out from other soldiers records of similar service numbers where he might have been serving at this time? Does his Leics or Worcs service numbers provide any similar clues? i.e. to get those numbers he must have been at xxx? 

 

As always any help will be much appreciated. Thanks. Steve

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I am continuing the search for clues about my GG Uncle who fell on 8th Oct 1918. Frank William is known to have (from the limited records) to have enlisted in Sept 1914

The Hussars number dates from August 1914

#18483 was issued 31 Aug 14

Craig

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16 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said:

The Hussars number dates from August 1914

#18483 was issued 31 Aug 14

Craig

Hi Craig. Thanks for this. Do we know where 18483 was issued (can we nail it down to a location or not) or if his service records exist?

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13 minutes ago, Steve Turner said:

Hi Craig. Thanks for this. Do we know where 18483 was issued (can we nail it down to a location or not) or if his service records exist?

In wartime for the Hussars the numbers and locations are unlikely to say much as people would be enlisting all over - #18483 attested in Fulham.

Craig

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A few numbers (of casualties) in the vicinity of 18472 indicate the Yorkshire Hussars ! 18473,18477 (both 2 Battalion) 18554 and 18613.

Hussars not shown on the MIC so wonder if this was a pre-war part-time activity. Note also that it is crossed out on the Roll,may have been because they only show the previous unit on the MGC roll. It was the SDGW which shows only previous unit 19361 Leics.

Did you trace the movement from 3 Worcs,with 7 Brigade of 3 Division on his landing in France on 14 July 1915 and into 7 Company MGC from 12 Jan 1916,followed by 7 Brigade's transfer to 25 Division in Oct 1915,and 7 Company's subsequent transfer into 25 Battalion MGC on 1 March 1918 ?

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12 hours ago, ss002d6252 said:

In wartime for the Hussars the numbers and locations are unlikely to say much as people would be enlisting all over - #18483 attested in Fulham.

Craig

Hi Craig. Thank you for this. It is interesting as Frank was living in Fulham and so it would make sense that he attested there also. Do we know anything more about #18483 so that we may be able to consider other possible scenarios? 

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12 hours ago, sotonmate said:

A few numbers (of casualties) in the vicinity of 18472 indicate the Yorkshire Hussars ! 18473,18477 (both 2 Battalion) 18554 and 18613.

Hussars not shown on the MIC so wonder if this was a pre-war part-time activity. Note also that it is crossed out on the Roll,may have been because they only show the previous unit on the MGC roll. It was the SDGW which shows only previous unit 19361 Leics.

Did you trace the movement from 3 Worcs,with 7 Brigade of 3 Division on his landing in France on 14 July 1915 and into 7 Company MGC from 12 Jan 1916,followed by 7 Brigade's transfer to 25 Division in Oct 1915,and 7 Company's subsequent transfer into 25 Battalion MGC on 1 March 1918 ?

Thank you for this information. I am fairly confident #18472 attested in Fulham as this is where he was living in 1914. Can I assume that, irrespective of where you attest, that you could be sent to any Regiment in the country? Hence the Yorkshire Hussars being a possibility?

 

Tracing F W McCanns movements (and reasons why we think that it is correct) has come from looking at other Worcs Regt soldiers with close service/regiment numbers, some access to war diaries, medals rolls, regimental histories etc... together with the invaluable input of several members of this forum. As we don't have access to his service history I have adopted the cautionary approach of considering general known historical truths and then (having eliminated a lot of "that could not have happened because" possibilities) distilled the information to leave us with either one of a series of outcomes (all of which could possibly be true) or a most likely scenario where we can be more confident. I don't think we will ever get a completely picture but it doesn't stop us trying and little by little a clearer picture is emerging.

 

If there are particular documents that you think would be worth me reading please let me know and I will take a look. Thanks again. Steve

 

 

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