Concentration sheets for Norfolk BC

[TEW]

Norfolk BC.

 

CWGC:

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Norfolk Cemetery contains 549 First World War burials, 224 being unidentified. After the Armistice it was nearly doubled in size when graves were brought in from the battlefields near by.

 

Another website says that nearly all the post war concentrations were UBS, so perhaps the 224 figure are nearly all UBS.

 

I'm trying to find the concentration sheets for Norfolk BC but because I can't find a single identified concentration I cannot get the relevant file number to batch download them.

 

Possible they don't have them of course. CEGSG don't seem to have them either.

TEW

[LDT006]

It seems that the reports are lost.

There is only one Canadian at that cemetery:

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/39464/HORACE FROST/ 

CWGC has a concentration report for a cross without remains to Hangard Communal Cemetery (Memorial plot)

His Canadian burial records state that he was concentrated and have his original burial location.

Note that the cross was found close to his original burial location.

 

There are Australians too, their records might have similar information.

 

Luc.

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/mass-digitized-archives/commonwealth-war-graves-registers/Pages/item.aspx?PageId=105094 

 

 

[jay dubaya]

TEW, having had a look it may be possible to identify all the concentrations through the GRRFs, alas this would give no indication as to previous burial locations. Luc has done well for those whose service records may remain and give further information. It may be worth dropping the CWGC a query... you never know.

 

J

[TEW]

Thanks to both, will sift through the GRRFs and tally up the UBS. Contact CWGC as well.

 

Had been searching Norfolk BC for a concentration. Frost fits the bill but then things go a bit odd. Off on a tangent here but Frost was originally buried in the field. Post war a graves unit failed to find any remains under a named cross but he is listed on a concentration sheet for a Special Memoria in Hangard CC. The Norfolk C concentration sheet for him is actually therefore for Hangard CC.

 

According to the Norfolk C GRRFS an unknown Canadian suddenly became Frost. Had he perhaps been concentrated there by another team and eventually the paperwork caught up?

TEW

[TEW]

Jay,

Quite correct. GRRFs 24c-28c are noted as being the concentrations. Although that only makes 53, not quite the cemetery doubled in size with post war clearance. Total now being 549. Wouldn't be surprised if 24c - 39c were all concentrations which would probably get closer to the mark.

 

85 UBS with no ID at all as original burials and 29 ditto as concentrations based on the 24c-28c scheme.

Thanks

TEW

[LDT006]

2 hours ago, TEW said:

According to the Norfolk C GRRFS an unknown Canadian suddenly became Frost. Had he perhaps been concentrated there by another team and eventually the paperwork caught up?

 

Frost was identified by effects found on the remains as noted on the GRRF form: EF/X/15534. This will have caused the delay and we don't know what those effects were, this was mentioned on the missing burial return sheets.

Same thing for Australian Robert Minto 

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/39553/ROBERT MINTO/ 

His GRRF form has EF/X/15217, but  his Australian records have survived with the original location of the remains and details of the effects.

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=7982289 

 

This might not add anything to your search but it shows the immense amount of paperwork that was made back then and the massive manpower required to process all this without computers.

 

Luc.

 

PS: How did they identify him if the disc was unreadable and in such a bad state?

 

 

[TEW]

Luc, thanks for this. Whenever I've delved into burial issues before it gets far more complex than expected. Shame about all the UK paperwork that is lost, leaving us now with little to go on.

 

In the Norfolk BC case I think there's no hope really. Five GRRF sheets that are marked as being concentrations but without concentration information. Plus these five sheets only seem to account for about a fifth of the total for battlefield clearance which could be on other sheets, or perhaps not!

TEW