Jean Hopewell Posted 15 February , 2021 Share Posted 15 February , 2021 Hello, I don't know if anyone can help. A friend of mine has found artifacts and a letter from the above WW1 soldier who was in the Machine gun Corps to his mother. It is dated August 1914. I am at a loss as to where to start. Any help out there? Jean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 15 February , 2021 Share Posted 15 February , 2021 27 minutes ago, Jean Hopewell said: Hello, I don't know if anyone can help. A friend of mine has found artifacts and a letter from the above WW1 soldier who was in the Machine gun Corps to his mother. It is dated August 1914. I am at a loss as to where to start. Any help out there? Jean Welcome aboard. Are you wanting to just find out about the man or re-unite it with relatives ? Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Hopewell Posted 15 February , 2021 Author Share Posted 15 February , 2021 Hi Craig, thank you for your speedy reply it would be good to know about Charlie as he signs the letter but if there was a chance we could return the artefacts l am sure my friend would be delighted.Jean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 15 February , 2021 Share Posted 15 February , 2021 Sgt 41390 Charles Gordon Lowden seems to have done well for himself as he was commissioned in to the Machine Gun Corps in August 1916 as a temporary 2nd Lt. By 1918 he seems to have been a temporary Lt and made up to an acting Captain as an Assistant Instructor in the Machine Gun Cavalry, Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 15 February , 2021 Share Posted 15 February , 2021 Looking on Find My Past there are some pages indexed under #41390 (Which is unsual to see where a man has been commissioned).https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007392021%2F00546&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7392021%2F19%2F546 We can see that he enlisted in Scarborough on 27 Aug 1914 aged 25yrs and 3 months. NoK was Jane Lowden of 202 Abbey Road, Barrow in Furness, 1911 census for him. Looks like a wealthy family. https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F25684%2F0057%2F3 Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 15 February , 2021 Share Posted 15 February , 2021 In 1939 he seems to still be in Barrow. Married May Rogers in 1917https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl?start=1917&end=1917&sq=4&eq=4&type=Marriages&vol=6d&pgno=1414&db=bmd_1612775592&jsexec=1&mono=0&v=MTYxMzQxMDUzNzozODhmOTlkNGNjY2JiZGM3MTllNjIxZTZjZmQzMDBmODZiMGE2MTAw&searchdef=given%3Dcharles%2A%26db%3Dbmd_1612775592%26eq%3D4%26surname%3Dlowden%26sq%3D1%26s_given%3Dmay%26type%3DMarriages&action=Find Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 15 February , 2021 Share Posted 15 February , 2021 3 children born in Barrow from 1920 to 1925 Seems that Gordon lived in the Ulverston area in later life from other records. I'd imagine he's likely deceased now (or doing very well to get to a 100). Looks like he had 2 daughters. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Hopewell Posted 15 February , 2021 Author Share Posted 15 February , 2021 Wow I thought I did well with Free BMD I used to be a transcriber but only found his death in Sept Qu 1964. You are right he died in Ulverston. I need to have a look at all the info and relay it to my friend. I will be back later in the week. Many Thanks Jean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 15 February , 2021 Share Posted 15 February , 2021 (edited) Hi Jean, Welcome to the forum. 16 hours ago, ss002d6252 said: In 1939 he seems to still be in Barrow. Craig Given the DoB, it looks like what's left of his officer service file is held by the MoD... 15 hours ago, Jean Hopewell said: ..his death in Sept Qu 1964. It seems that he died on 18.8.1964 Image sourced from Ancestry Edit: It looks like he married a Hilda Walker in Q 3 1944 - ref: RD Ulverston 8E 1703 Regards Chris Edited 16 February , 2021 by clk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 16 February , 2021 Share Posted 16 February , 2021 Hi Jean, Prior to his commission... Images sourced from the London Gazette Image sourced from Findmypast ...it looks like his service with the 18 Hussars would be covered by this free download, and 2 Machine Gun Squadron by this one. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Hopewell Posted 16 February , 2021 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2021 Many Thanks Chris l didn’t expect to receive so much information in such a short time l will have to sit down and go through it all then get back to you later in the week. Jean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Hopewell Posted 16 February , 2021 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2021 Hi Chris, Looking at his record he went in with one number 12689 and after a promotion his number appears to have changed to 41390 is this normal procedure. Jean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 16 February , 2021 Share Posted 16 February , 2021 3 minutes ago, Jean Hopewell said: Hi Chris, Looking at his record he went in with one number 12689 and after a promotion his number appears to have changed to 41390 is this normal procedure. Jean. The number changed before promotion (officers didn't have service numbers). A man could end up with multiple numbers as there wasn't any army wide number at this time. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 16 February , 2021 Share Posted 16 February , 2021 Hi Jean, Following on a bit from Craig, whilst officers didn't have service numbers as such, they did have administrative reference numbers. Though the individual man might not be aware of his. In your case he seems to have had the admin reference number of P2090 as per the MoD file index extract above, where the 'P' prefix is indicative of an officer file. To confuse things further from the 'index of long numbers' held by the National Archives, it also seems that at one time, he had the officer admin number of 144504. Image sourced from the National Archives Unfortunately, I don't know what "9/4/3228" means. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Hopewell Posted 16 February , 2021 Author Share Posted 16 February , 2021 Hi Again, Now you are confusing me even more. I have found out that May Rogers his first wife died in 1943 Sept Qu in Barrow then he must have married Hilda Walker in Ulverston in Sept Qu 1944. What I can't work out is how he ended up getting married in Coventry the first time supposedly in 1917 when surely he was still serving in the army. would he have been demobbed so quickly or would he have to stay until the end of the war, hence the birth of the first child wasn't until 1920. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 17 February , 2021 Share Posted 17 February , 2021 Hi Jean, Without seeing a copy of the file held by the MoD, I think that it is a bit difficult to establish precisely what happened to Charles after he was commissioned. The following note his subsequent promotions. Images sourced from the London Gazette What I didn't see was a notice in the London Gazette saying that he had relinquished his commission. We can though be pretty confident that he continued to serve at least until the early 1920s. The reason for saying that is because generally speaking the officer files for men that left the service shortly after the end of the war are held by the National Archives, whereas those that continued in service are held by the MoD. 17 hours ago, Jean Hopewell said: What I can't work out is how he ended up getting married in Coventry the first time supposedly in 1917 My guess would be that Charles and May had met and decided to get married, and that having been granted permission by his Commanding Officer to do so, he was granted a short period of leave. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melmack Posted 5 March , 2021 Share Posted 5 March , 2021 I’m researching my family and saw this post. I can give you info to get the artifacts and letter back to rhe family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Hopewell Posted 6 March , 2021 Author Share Posted 6 March , 2021 Hello thank you for that I have been a bit overwhelmed by all the info I have received> have passed it to my friend to get her head around. Any info would be greatfully received. I have been making a family tree and have got as far as some of the grandchildren but haven't had time to get any further. Jean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melmack Posted 1 April , 2021 Share Posted 1 April , 2021 I’m one of his great grandchildren. How are you related to the family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Hopewell Posted 3 April , 2021 Author Share Posted 3 April , 2021 Hi Melmack, Thank you for your mail. I am no relation to anyone within your family or at least I don't think so. This is a delicate situation as you can appreciate as we really would like my friends findings to be returned to Charlie's family so we would like a few more details if that's ok with you. Please would you be prepared to tell us maybe your date of birth or surname so we can be reassured that we are on the right track. We hope you are not offended by this request as we really want the outcome to be right. I don't know how we stand contacting each other away from the forum. Kind regards. Jean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melmack Posted 4 April , 2021 Share Posted 4 April , 2021 I would rather talk off the forum. Please give me your email if it’s ok or if you can think of another way. I’m researching my family. My uncle just did a book about my grandfather and great grandfather and it’s made me very curious about my family history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jean Hopewell Posted 18 April , 2021 Author Share Posted 18 April , 2021 Hello Again, I don't know if this post will still be on the forum but I would like to say a big thank you to anyone who sent me info about Charlie Lowden. You will all be pleased to know that his family now have his letter to his mother and the shilling he received for singing on in August 1914. One happy ending. Many Thanks. Jean Hopewellnks. Jean Hopewell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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