Pte John Maguire 27899

[Peter Bennett]

Dewsbury Sacrifices have discovered that this John Maguire is not the man born in Halifax in 1889 to Thomas Maguire, a gas worker born in Halifax around 1861 and his wife Bridget, born in Ballina, County Mayo, Ireland around 1863. On the 1901 Census the family lived at 6, Beacon Road, Halifax and in 1911 at 30, Woodside View, Halifax.

 

In his Soldiers Will dated 6^th March 1916, he named Thomas Maguire as his beneficiary and it was assumed that this was his father as the census for both years show that this Halifax family had a son named John Thomas Maguire, but newly available information has revealed that he did not die in the First World War.

 

In the Soldiers Effects records, Thomas Maguire was again named as the beneficiary but his relationship was endorsed “Uncle”, it was wrongly assumed that this was an error. Upon enlistment he gave his address as the one where he was lodging in Dewsbury with a Mr. Warburton. Sadly, his medals were sent there and were returned as “not at this address”.

 

His entry in Soldiers Died in the Great War states that he was born in Halifax and enlisted in Darlington but there are no other births registered in Halifax for a John Maguire and archives held in the Lancashire Fusiliers Museum in Bury make reference to his birth being in Ireland. Further research is ongoing, subject to current quarantine and distancing measures.

 

What is beyond dispute is his Army service and details of his death:

 

He served as Private 27899 in the 9^th Battalion of the Lancashire Fusiliers having previously served with the King’s Own Yorkshire Light Infantry into which he had attested in 1915 at Darlington, County Durham before his transfer on the 4^th November 1915. On the 24^th of November 1915 the battalion landed on the Greek island of Lemnos, which was the Allied HQ for the Gallipoli Campaign. The Lancashire Fusiliers suffered heavy losses on Gallipoli. He was killed in action in the Battle of the Somme on 25^th September 1916 during the attempt to recapture Mouquet Farm, which was part of the Battle of Pozières. His remains were not found until 1919 and he was buried in Courcelette British Cemetery, Somme, France as an Unknown British Soldier but his identity was confirmed the following year. John was awarded the 1914-15 Star, the British War Medal and the Victory Medal.

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[ss002d6252]

War gratuity tells us he enlisted in the month from 27 June 1915

Craig

[Peter Bennett]

10 minutes ago, ss002d6252 said:

War gratuity tells us he enlisted in the month from 27 June 1915

Craig

Thank you Craig, does it confirm he enlisted at Darlington ?

[ss002d6252]

1 hour ago, Peter Bennett said:

Thank you Craig, does it confirm he enlisted at Darlington ?

Unfortunately not.

 

Craig

[Neil 2242]

Register of Soldiers' Effects says his beneficiary Thomas was his uncle.

 

Edit: sorry, didn;t see that bit in your originalpost

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[Ivor Anderson]

It is always sad to see a CWGC entry with no listed next of kin, although the late identification of his remains did not help.

A John Maguire was released from HMP Wakefield on 19 July 1913 after serving a 1 month sentence. He was then 33 and born in Halifax (c.1880?):

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/5085/images/41238_1831109388_2432-00282?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=8283b91409aa2df35f8eb5a8d91d44ce&usePUB=true&_phsrc=AHE9184&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=71776

[Ivor Anderson]

A John Henry Maguire, aged 21 (born c.1880?, born Halifax, was in the Yorkshire Regt. at Richmond in 1901:

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=uki1901&indiv=try&h=29269626

Possible birth entry in Halifax District from Q4 1879:

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8912&h=21769440&tid=&pid=&queryId=34b211d3a126af490d36265fa7899020&usePUB=true&_phsrc=AHE9187&_phstart=successSource

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[PRC]

Just now, Ivor Anderson said:

A John Henry Maguire, aged 21 (born c.1880?, born Halifax, was in the Yorkshire Regt. at Richmond in 1901:

 

And he has surviving service records in the WO97 series. He is described on enlistment as 5 feet 3 and three quarter inches tall, with dark brown hair and of the Roman Catholic faith - which sounds like the man in Wakefield prison. He enlisted on the 26th February 1901 at Sheffield, giving his age as 21 years and 2 months. He was unmarried and his occupation was Printer. Birthplace is shown as the parish of St Bernards, Halifax. He was joining straight from the Militia. He signed up for three years in the Colours and 9 in the reserves. Although he had some discipline issues, in 1903 he was allowed to extend his service in the Colours to 8 years. However he was discharged at Netley on the 28th November 1905 as Medically unfit.

 

Next of kin was his mother Bridget, of 6 Beacon Parade, Halifax, and his younger brother James of the same address. His intended place of resident on discharge was 30 Woodside View, Halifax. His character was recorded as indifferent, addicted to drink. The Beacon Parade address ties him back on the 1901 Census of England and Wales to the Thomas and Bridget who were found to be the parents of the John Maguire who survived.

 

Cheers,

Peter

[Ivor Anderson]

Their son 'John Thomas Maguire' was at home aged 12 in 1901 (& 22 in 1911, born c.1888), he could not have enlisted in Feb. 1901?

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2352&h=29408373&tid=&pid=&queryId=b0fbb9d2cdd323639bc408b63d71c363&usePUB=true&_phsrc=AHE9200&_phstart=successSource

Though, you say 'younger brother James'. Could the John Maguire in question be an older son of Bridget?

Could this be the marriage of Thomas Maguire/McGuire and Bridget O'Hara in 1884:

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=8913&h=18548418&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=6598

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[PRC]

John Henry Maguire pre-dates the marriage of Thomas and Bridget by about five years - trying to investigate whether he was the son of an unmarried Bridget who took his stepfathers name or an adopted child from the Maguire family making Thomas his uncle.... or any other scenario that might explain it.

 

@Peter Bennett - which John Maguire did you account for as surviving - John Henry or John Thomas?

 

Cheers,

Peter

[Peter Bennett]

24 minutes ago, PRC said:

John Henry Maguire pre-dates the marriage of Thomas and Bridget by about five years - trying to investigate whether he was the son of an unmarried Bridget who took his stepfathers name or an adopted child from the Maguire family making Thomas his uncle.... or any other scenario that might explain it.

 

@Peter Bennett - which John Maguire did you account for as surviving - John Henry or John Thomas?

 

Cheers,

Peter

Peter, it was John Thomas who survived the war 

[Ivor Anderson]

The 'younger brother' James Henry Maguire seems to have died in 1909 aged 24:

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=8914&h=21777958&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=6598

The 1911 census states that 8 children still survive, and they are all still living at home:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2352/images/rg14_26524_0029_03?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&pId=29408373

Can we be sure that John Henry is connected? 

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61068&h=773175&tid=&pid=&queryId=885ba179abe821e96373ed565916e341&usePUB=true&_phsrc=AHE9212&_phstart=successSource

Is this him in 1911: https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2352&h=38631804&tid=&pid=&queryId=19a89f47db671b53c68e7d6503dd1a89&usePUB=true&_phsrc=AHE9215&_phstart=successSource

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[Ivor Anderson]

Think this might be him at 4 Beacon Parade (same street) aged 1, in 1881 (mother Bridget umd): https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7572&h=24173950&tid=&pid=&queryId=42f320eacdbc35f10a21de1a0d5f83d2&usePUB=true&_phsrc=AHE9227&_phstart=successSource

 

He was one of over 140 from the 9th Battalion to die on 26th September 1916: https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/search-results/?Surname=&Forename=&Initials=&ServiceNum=&Regiment=lancashire+Fusiliers&ServedIn=Army&WarSelect=1&DateDeathFromDay=24&DateDeathFromMonth=September&DateDeathFromYear=1916&DateDeathToDay=26&DateDeathToMonth=September&DateDeathToYear=1916&DateOfDeath=&CountryCommemoratedIn=null&Cemetery=&Unit=9th+Bn.&Rank=&SecondaryRegiment=&AgeOfDeath=0&Honours=null&AdditionalInfo=&Page=1

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[PRC]

1 hour ago, Ivor Anderson said:

The 'younger brother' James Henry Maguire seems to have died in 1909 aged 24:

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=8914&h=21777958&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=6598

The 1911 census states that 8 children still survive, and they are all still living at home:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2352/images/rg14_26524_0029_03?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&pId=29408373

Can we be sure that John Henry is connected? 

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61068&h=773175&tid=&pid=&queryId=885ba179abe821e96373ed565916e341&usePUB=true&_phsrc=AHE9212&_phstart=successSource

Is this him in 1911: https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2352&h=38631804&tid=&pid=&queryId=19a89f47db671b53c68e7d6503dd1a89&usePUB=true&_phsrc=AHE9215&_phstart=successSource

 

Sorry Ivor, I don’t have access to Ancestry so apologies if any of this duplicates what you have found.

 

Following Thomas & Bridget through, on the 1911 Census of England & Wales, the couple state they have been married 26 years, and have a 22 year old son of their own, John Thomas. The birth of John Henry would therefore pre-date the marriage, making it likely his birth wasn’t registered with the surname Maguire.

 

An additional mystery is that while Thomas Maguire, born Halifax, turns up on the 1901 Census, (aged 40) and the 1911 Census, (aged 50), he doesn’t appear to be on earlier censuses.

 

On the 1911 Census the couple state they have had 9 children, of which 8 were then still alive. The 8 were also still living with them.

 

John Thomas…….aged 22…..born Halifax……Worsted Overlooker

Mary…………….aged 20……born Halifax…..Painter at Trunk(?) Works

Sarah Ann……….aged 18……born Halifax…..Worstead Spinner

Michael………….aged 17……born Halifax…..Crealer(?) at Weaving Shed

Lily Agnes………aged 15……born Halifax…..Toffee Wrapper

Peter…………….aged 13……born Halifax…..Errand Boy at Boot Store

Winifred………..aged 10……born Halifax

Teresa…………..aged 8……..born Halifax

 

Their address is 30 Woodside View, Woodside, Halifax, which is the address that John Henry gave on discharge in 1905.

 

On the 1901 Census there is a 15 year old James H. Maguire, a Mechanics Labourer, born Halifax, who was listed as a son of Thomas & Bridget. This presumably is the 9th child, and the one who is deceased.

 

Going through the birth records for the children, I struggled to find some, and all bar the odd exception failed to turn up a mothers’ maiden name. Exceptions were Mary Maguire, mothers’ maiden name Maguire, birth registered Halifax District Q3 1890 and John Thomas, mothers’ maiden name Maguire, birth registered Halifax District Q4 1888.

 

And there is also a John Henry MCGUIRE, mothers maiden name MCGUIRE, whose birth was registered in the Halifax District in Q4 1879.

 

But the marriage of a Thomas Maguire to either a Bridget O’Hora or a Mary Ann Crossley was recorded in the Halifax District in Q3 1884 – so a possible marriage , but unless Bridget was a widow, or much less likely a divorcee, wrong maiden name.

 

As I mentioned earlier, part of the puzzle was not being able to find Thomas Maguire and family before the 1901 Census. But armed with a possible alternative spelling of MCGUIRE, I think, he, Bridget and the older children are there, and whats more they were already living at 6 Beacon Parade on the 1891 Census of England & Wales..

 

Thomas McGuire, aged 30, a Gas Stoker, born Halifax was recorded as a married head of the household. He lives there with wife Bridget, (aged 27, born Ireland). The couple have three children living with them – James H., (5), John T., (2), and Mary, (9 months). Also in the household is a 19 year old unmarried lodger, Sarah Ann O’Hora, a Carpet Worker, born Ireland. May be a complete co-incidence, but at 9 Beacon Parade there is an O’Hora family, headed up by the 35 year old Patrick O’Hora, a married Gas Stoker born County Mayo, Ireland. But the young John is not in their household.

 

Elsewhere at 2 Beacon Parade there is an 11 year old John McGuire, a Worsted Mill Hand, born Halifax. The head of the household is the 60 year old widow Mary McGuire, born Ireland. The second person is the household is her unmarried daughter, Ann McGuire, aged 20 and a Flax wider, born Halifax. Then comes John, then last are two grandchildren, Michael McCullen, (22) and Maria McCullen, (16) – both born Halifax.

 

Going back to the 1881 Census, the 20 year old Thomas McGuire was living in the household of his 50 year old widowed mother Mary McGuire, born Ireland at 2 Beacon Parade. Other occupants of the house include an 11 year old daughter Ann, and grandchildren Michael, (10) and Maria, (5), although then their surname was recorded as McGuire. But I draw a blank on a match for John Henry.

 

So in summary, a possibly birth for a John Henry McGuire recorded in the Q4 1879 which appears likely to be the child of a single parent. McGuire is the spelling used for the family up until at least of the marriage of Thomas Maguire to Bridget O’Hora in 1884, although they revert to McGuire for the 1891 Census of England & Wales.

 

John Henry appears to have been (informally adopted) by his maternal grandmother Mary McGuire by the time of the 1891 Census, where he is described as her son. However as her grandson this would make sense of Thomas being described on the Army Register of Soldiers Effects as his uncle. Much of his early rearing may have been done by Thomas’ wife Bridget however, hence his description of her as Mother on the 1901 enlistment. This would also sidestep the issue of his true parentage. Note he doesn’t list Thomas as his father, even though the man was still alive.

 

Sorry for the rambling approach, but hope it makes sense. The last bit is purely speculation on my part but seems plausible. Not quite sure how you could possible prove it, and disproval will probably have to come from a better documented scenario.

 

Thoughts?

 

Peter

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[Peter Bennett]

my grateful thanks to all who have helped with so much information. I think we are very near

[Peter Bennett]

18 minutes ago, PRC said:

 

Sorry Ivor, I don’t have access to Ancestry so apologies if any of this duplicates what you have found.

 

Following Thomas & Bridget through, on the 1911 Census of England & Wales, the couple state they have been married 26 years, and have a 22 year old son of their own, John Thomas. The birth of John Henry would therefore pre-date the marriage, making it likely his birth wasn’t registered with the surname Maguire.

 

An additional mystery is that while Thomas Maguire, born Halifax, turns up on the 1901 Census, (aged 40) and the 1911 Census, (aged 50), he doesn’t appear to be on earlier censuses.

 

On the 1911 Census the couple state they have had 9 children, of which 8 were then still alive. The 8 were also still living with them.

 

John Thomas…….aged 22…..born Halifax……Worsted Overlooker

Mary…………….aged 20……born Halifax…..Painter at Trunk(?) Works

Sarah Ann……….aged 18……born Halifax…..Worstead Spinner

Michael………….aged 17……born Halifax…..Crealer(?) at Weaving Shed

Lily Agnes………aged 15……born Halifax…..Toffee Wrapper

Peter…………….aged 13……born Halifax…..Errand Boy at Boot Store

Winifred………..aged 10……born Halifax

Teresa…………..aged 8……..born Halifax

 

Their address is 30 Woodside View, Woodside, Halifax, which is the address that John Henry gave on discharge in 1905.

 

On the 1901 Census there is a 15 year old James H. Maguire, a Mechanics Labourer, born Halifax, who was listed as a son of Thomas & Bridget. This presumably is the 9th child, and the one who is deceased.

 

Going through the birth records for the children, I struggled to find some, and all bar the odd exception failed to turn up a mothers’ maiden name. Exceptions were Mary Maguire, mothers’ maiden name Maguire, birth registered Halifax District Q3 1890 and John Thomas, mothers’ maiden name Maguire, birth registered Halifax District Q4 1888.

 

And there is also a John Henry MCGUIRE, mothers maiden name MCGUIRE, whose birth was registered in the Halifax District in Q4 1879.

 

But the marriage of a Thomas Maguire to either a Bridget O’Hora or a Mary Ann Crossley was recorded in the Halifax District in Q3 1884 – so a possible marriage , but unless Bridget was a widow, or much less likely a divorcee, wrong maiden name.

 

As I mentioned earlier, part of the puzzle was not being able to find Thomas Maguire and family before the 1901 Census. But armed with a possible alternative spelling of MCGUIRE, I think, he, Bridget and the older children are there, and whats more they were already living at 6 Beacon Parade on the 1891 Census of England & Wales..

 

Thomas McGuire, aged 30, a Gas Stoker, born Halifax was recorded as a married head of the household. He lives there with wife Bridget, (aged 27, born Ireland). The couple have three children living with them – James H., (5), John T., (2), and Mary, (9 months). Also in the household is a 19 year old unmarried lodger, Sarah Ann O’Hora, a Carpet Worker, born Ireland. May be a complete co-incidence, but at 9 Beacon Parade there is an O’Hora family, headed up by the 35 year old Patrick O’Hora, a married Gas Stoker born County Mayo, Ireland. But the young John is not in their household.

 

Elsewhere at 2 Beacon Parade there is an 11 year old John McGuire, a Worsted Mill Hand, born Halifax. The head of the household is the 60 year old widow Mary McGuire, born Ireland. The second person is the household is her unmarried daughter, Ann McGuire, aged 20 and a Flax wider, born Halifax. Then comes John, then last are two grandchildren, Michael McCullen, (22) and Maria McCullen, (16) – both born Halifax.

 

Going back to the 1881 Census, the 20 year old Thomas McGuire was living in the household of his 50 year old widowed mother Mary McGuire, born Ireland at 2 Beacon Parade. Other occupants of the house include an 11 year old daughter Ann, and grandchildren Michael, (10) and Maria, (5), although then their surname was recorded as McGuire. But I draw a blank on a match for John Henry.

 

So in summary, a possibly birth for a John Henry McGuire recorded in the Q4 1879 which appears likely to be the child of a single parent. McGuire is the spelling used for the family up until at least of the marriage of Thomas Maguire to Bridget O’Hora in 1884, although they revert to McGuire for the 1891 Census of England & Wales.

 

John Henry appears to have been (informally adopted) by his maternal grandmother Mary McGuire by the time of the 1891 Census, where he is described as her son. However as her grandson this would make sense of Thomas being described on the Army Register of Soldiers Effects as his uncle. Much of his early rearing may have been done by Thomas’ wife Bridget however, hence his description of her as Mother on the 1901 enlistment. This would also sidestep the issue of his true parentage. Note he doesn’t list Thomas as his father, even though the man was still alive.

 

Sorry for the rambling approach, but hope it makes sense. The last bit is purely speculation on my part but seems plausible. Not quite sure how you could possible prove it, and disproval will probably have to come from a better documented scenario.

 

Thoughts?

 

Peter

Michael McCullen also moved to Dewsbury and worshipped at Our Lady and St Paulinus Church

 

http://www.dewsburysacrifices.org/1916-2/october/michael-mccullen/

[Peter Bennett]

His signature on his soldiers will in 1916 has the distinctive straight base of the "g" in Maguire as the signature on the discharge in 1906. This must be him

[PRC]

Snap -- well almost

 

(Image courtesy Genes Reunited)

 

Hope that helps,

Peter

 

[Ivor Anderson]

Thanks Peter, We appear to agree on the evidence re John Henry Maguire (all previously linked or referenced above):

1) BIRTH John Henry McGuire registered Halifax district Q4 1879 (9a 425)

2) 1881 Census - Lodging as 'John McGuir' at 4 Beacon Parade, Halifax (aged 1) with 'Bridget McGuir' ('unmarried' mill hand, aged 22).

                            Thomas McGuire (20), siblings & widowed mother Mary (50) living at no. 2 Beacon Parade.

3) 1884 - Thomas Maguire & Bridget O'Hara marry Halifax district, Q3 1884 (9a 772)

4) 1891 Census - Thomas (30) & Bridget (27) Maguire living at 6 Beacon Parade with three children: James H., (5), John T., (2), and Mary, (9 months). 

    At 2 Beacon Parade is an 11 year old John McGuire (Worsted Mill Hand, born Halifax). Head of this household at no. 2 is a 60 year old widow Mary McGuire.

5) 1901 Census - John Henry Maguire, aged 21, born Halifax, was with the Yorkshire Regt. at Richmond Barracks (enlisted on the 26th February 1901 aged 21)

                Thomas & Bridget & family at 6 Beacon Parade, Halifax, inc. 15 year old James H. Maguire, a Mechanics Labourer, born Halifax 

6) 1905 -  John Henry was discharged at Netley on the 28th November 1905 as Medically unfit. Next of kin was his mother Bridget, of 6 Beacon Parade, Halifax, and his younger brother James of the same address. His intended place of resident on discharge was 30 Woodside View, Halifax.

7) 1909 - The 'younger brother' James Henry Maguire seems to have died Q4 1909 aged 24 in Halifax district.

8) 1911 Census - Thomas & Bridget & 8 children (1 child deceased) at 30 Woodside View, Halifax

                            John McGaire/McGuire, aged 31, labourer, born Halifax, lodging in a large 'lodging house' in Halifax

9) 1913 - John Maguire released from HMP Wakefield on 19 July 1913 after serving a 1 month sentence. He was then 33 and born in Halifax

10) 1915 - John Maguire enlisted with KOTLI at Darlington in 1915, transferred as Private 27899 in the 9th Battalion of the Lancashire Fusiliers on 4th November 1915. Served at Gallipoli then at the Somme

11) KIA on 26th September 1916 at the Somme along with over 140 others from his Bn.

12) Buried in Courcelette British Cemetery, Somme, France 

 

It would be great if we could prove a next of kin. His full birth certificate may be worth getting to see if Bridget is named?

Bridget Maguire appears to have died in Halifax Q2 1944 aged 81 (9a 768): https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7579&h=26156695&tid=&pid=&queryId=fb89b6df70b35b892619c2d069bb8424&usePUB=true&_phsrc=AHE9236&_phstart=successSource

She was still living at 30 Woodside View on the 1939 Census (DoB 9 September 1863):

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7814/images/YRKRG13_4116_4118-0696?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=fb89b6df70b35b892619c2d069bb8424&usePUB=true&_phsrc=AHE9237&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=26235006

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[Ivor Anderson]

The 1891 Census gives us a snapshot of the family connection: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/6598/images/WRYRG12_3583_3586-0608?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&pId=4914853

Thomas (30) & Bridget (27) Maguire are living at 6 Beacon Parade, Halifax with three children: James H., (5), John T., (2), and Mary, (9 months). 

11 year old John McGuire (Worsted Mill Hand, born Halifax) is at 2 Beacon Parade as the 'son' of 60 year old widow Mary McGuire.

N.B. The Regan family at no. 4 is who John (aged 1) & Bridget were lodging with on the 1881 Census.

Edited 10 February , 2021 by Ivor Anderson

[Peter Bennett]

I have ordered the birth certificate for 1879, should take 4 to 5 days 

[PRC]

11 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said:

N.B. The Regan family at no. 4 is who John (aged 1) & Bridget were lodging with on the 1881 Census.

 

The dreaded household split across two pages - good spot.

 

(Both images courtesy Genes Reunited).

 

But note this Bridget McGuire is aged 22 and born England - the wife of Thomas was 27 in 1891, and her date of birth on the 1939 Register was consistant in giving it as the 9th September 1863. So if it's a lie then one that was maintained for a very long time.

 

And on the 1871 Census of England & Wales the 40 year old widow Mary McGuire includes amongst the children in her household the 12 year old Thomas and his 13 year old big sister, Bridget. Both were born Halifax.

 

So once again I think we've been sideswiped by the similarity of names.

 

May be a co-incidence but the marriage of a Bridget McGuire to either a Michael Flaherty or a George William Crossley was recorded in the Halifax District in Q3 1886. (It probably is - there is a Michael Flaherty and his wife Bridget, 26, both born Ireland, living elsewhere in Southowram, Halifax on the 1891 Census of England & Wales).

There are no likely candidates for the marriage of a Bridget Maguire in the Halifax District.

 

Back in the land of co-incidences, there is a 30 year old unmarried Bridget McGuire, a Worstead Mill Hand, born Halifax, who was recorded boarding at 15 Clifford Street, Horton, Bradford, Yorkshire on the 1891 Census of England & Wales. This was the household of a 40 year old widow. Margaret Devine. But I'm not finding a likely census, death or marriage as McGuire or Maguire in England & Wales after that.

 

Cheers,

Peter

Edited 10 February , 2021 by PRC
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[Peter Bennett]

15 minutes ago, PRC said:

 

The dreaded household split across two pages - good spot.

 

(Both images courtesy Genes Reunited).

 

But note this Bridget McGuire is aged 22 and born England - the wife of Thomas was 27 in 1891, and her date of birth on the 1939 Register was consistant in giving it as the 9th September 1863. So if it's a lie then one that was maintained for a very long time.

 

And on the 1870 Census of England & Wales the 40 year old widow Mary McGuire includes amongst the children in her household the 12 year old Thomas and his 13 year old big sister, Bridget. Both were born Halifax.

 

So once again I think we've been sideswiped by the similarity of names.

 

May be a co-incidence but the marriage of a Bridget McGuire to either a Michael Flaherty or a George William Crossley was recorded in the Halifax District in Q3 1886. (It probably is - there is a Michael Flaherty and his wife Bridget, 26, both born Ireland, living elsewhere in Southowram, Halifax on the 1891 Census of England & Wales).

There are no likely candidates for the marriage of a Bridget Maguire in the Halifax District.

 

Back in the land of co-incidences, there is a 30 year old unmarried Bridget McGuire, a Worstead Mill Hand, born Halifax, who was recorded boarding at 15 Clifford Street, Horton, Bradford, Yorkshire on the 1891 Census of England & Wales. This was the household of a 40 year old widow. Margaret Devine. But I'm not finding a likely census, death or marriage as McGuire of Maguire in England & Wales after that.

 

Cheers,

Peter

I think you are right, there are two Bridgets

[Ivor Anderson]

The plot thickens! 

The 'grandmother' Mary McGuire appears to have died in Halifax aged 64 in Q1 1895 (9a 335): https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8914&h=22759390&tid=&pid=&queryId=3b3ba717cd1fab9197118c4e05817005&usePUB=true&_phsrc=AHE9246&_phstart=successSource

So, Thomas Maguire had an older sister Bridget who may be James Henry's mother? 1871 census for 2 Bankside, Halifax (off Ancestry):

Edited 10 February , 2021 by Ivor Anderson

[Ivor Anderson]

Bridget's birth was registered in Halifax in Q4 1858:

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=8912&h=21767438&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=8767

Bridget was 2 and Thomas was 6 months on the 1861 Census. Their father (also Thomas) was still living (aged 39):

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8767/images/wryrg9_3277_3280-0109?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&usePUBJs=true&pId=10074585

Edited 10 February , 2021 by Ivor Anderson