NR72 Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 (edited) Trying to ascertain if this cap badge is Devons or ASC...trouble is he was in both ... Edited 13 January , 2021 by NR72 photo upsidedown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 Camouflage Corps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 13 January , 2021 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2021 2 minutes ago, jay dubaya said: Camouflage Corps... have another look, it kept on posting upside for some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 (edited) It has the appearance of the noticeably more sharply pointed star and proud crown of the Devonshire Regiment. Edited 13 January , 2021 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 That certainly looks like a Devons badge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 13 January , 2021 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2021 (edited) This is confusing because during this time he was still with South Eastern Mounted Brigade (Territorials) until he was deemed unfit 15/01/1915 South Eastern Mounted Brigade (Territorials) Joined – 27/02/1912 Address- 6 South Bridge Avenue , Croydon ASC – Driver ET/51256 Penshurst Kent Annual Camp - 22/05/1912 – 09/06/1912 Folkestone Kent – Annual Camp - 30/05/1913 – 13/06/1913 Mobilised for War – 05/08/1914 Discharged – Unfit 15/01/1915 Re- enlisted 07/03/1919 RASC Devonshires - Number - 19114 Edited 13 January , 2021 by NR72 more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acknown Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 Devons, I fancy. Who is he? Acknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 2 minutes ago, Acknown said: Devons, I fancy. Who is he? Acknown If we knew who he was, then the age of the infant should home in on whether Devonshire or ASC- It's my home area and the badge looks a little too large and the pointy bits too straight - Devonshire badges bend backwards (Like the one in the top drawer of my desk!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 13 January , 2021 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2021 If we knew who he was, then the age of the infant should home in on whether Devonshire or ASC- It's my home area and the badge looks a little too large and the pointy bits too straight - Devonshire badges bend backwards (Like the one in the top drawer of my desk!!) Details uploaded above , I have taken the age of the child into consideration , just need to see when she was born , actual date Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 (edited) Bent backwards if deliberately so by the soldiers perhaps, but issued with a flat back, so I don’t think we can view that as a substantial factor. The Devon’s badge has straight edges, the ASC’s is layered. Edited 13 January , 2021 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 13 January , 2021 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2021 Even though I have his army number for Devons can't find any of his service with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, NR72 said: Even though I have his army number for Devons can't find any of his service with them It might well be home service only in which case it won’t appear on medal index cards, that only record overseas service. It’s only if mentioned on a surviving full service record that you might find details. Edited 13 January , 2021 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardenerbill Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 (edited) Looks like a simplified SD Jacket. Edited 13 January , 2021 by Gardenerbill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 2 minutes ago, Gardenerbill said: Looks like a simplified SD Jacket. Yes, and a 1905 cap, so a typical appearance for late summer 1914 through to early winter 1915. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 13 January , 2021 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2021 8 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: It might well be home service only in which case it won’t appear on medal index cards, that only record overseas service. It’s only if mentioned on a surviving full service record that you might find details. I got his devons number from his medal card , it mentions asc and devons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 16 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: Bent backwards if deliberately so by the soldiers perhaps, but issued with a flat back, so I don’t think we can view that as a substantial factor. The Devon’s badge has straight edges, the ASC’s is layered. Alas, mine does not- given to me by the late Brigadier "Speedy" Bredin- alas, my military career was army cadets at school only- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 13 January , 2021 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2021 1 minute ago, FROGSMILE said: Yes, and a 1905 cap, so a typical appearance for late summer 1914 through to early winter 1915. Baby was born September 1914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 On 13/01/2021 at 18:36, NR72 said: Baby was born September 1914 Photo not long before Christmas then I would guess. Alas, mine does not- given to me by the late Brigadier "Speedy" Bredin- alas, my military career was army cadets at school only- Yes I understand, some soldiers bent them into a slight curve to conform with the curvature of the front of the forage cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 Just now, FROGSMILE said: Photo not long before Christmas then I would guess. Yes-concur on that. Though Baby looks a bit chunky for a 3 month old- It does look like a classic family pic. before the band start playing "The Girl He Left Behind Him"- His unit date of entry into theatre of war may narrow the odds even more as to when in 1914-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 6 minutes ago, NR72 said: I got his devons number from his medal card , it mentions asc and devons If Devon’s mentioned on MIC then he had overseas service with them. The question is whether before or after ASC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 13 January , 2021 Author Share Posted 13 January , 2021 Just now, FROGSMILE said: If Devon’s mentioned on MIC then he had overseas service with them. The question is whether before or after ASC. Apparently he used to talk of the bad time he had of it , could it be he was a driver within the Devons ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 13 January , 2021 Share Posted 13 January , 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, NR72 said: Apparently he used to talk of the bad time he had of it , could it be he was a driver within the Devons ? He might have been a part of the Devonshire battalion’s transport section yes, but that was confined to horsed transport. Edited 13 January , 2021 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 14 January , 2021 Share Posted 14 January , 2021 Surely if his medal pair is on RASC roll and 8th Devons is given in previous unit column that should be the service sequence? Although that contradicts a previous post. Roll is in ET number sequence so finding other records for these men should give a date when these ET numbers were issued. ET/51257 Burvill on same roll also re-enlisted RASC in 1919. He has a 14-15 Star which shows his original T4 number and to me it looks like the ET number is from his 1919 enlistment. Ditto ET/51261 Hunter. His mic shows 3 units in order - ASC T3#, MFP#, ASC ET#. Not from St. Mawes I take it, given the SE connection? TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 14 January , 2021 Share Posted 14 January , 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, TEW said: Surely if his medal pair is on RASC roll and 8th Devons is given in previous unit column that should be the service sequence? Although that contradicts a previous post. Roll is in ET number sequence so finding other records for these men should give a date when these ET numbers were issued. ET/51257 Burvill on same roll also re-enlisted RASC in 1919. He has a 14-15 Star which shows his original T4 number and to me it looks like the ET number is from his 1919 enlistment. Ditto ET/51261 Hunter. His mic shows 3 units in order - ASC T3#, MFP#, ASC ET#. Not from St. Mawes I take it, given the SE connection? TEW Except that according to the OP he was pre-war ASC TF and mobilised for a year in 1914. Looking at this again I think that that’s correct and that I called it wrong with the cap badges, which are difficult to tell apart on such a fuzzy image. I think he was probably then conscripted in 1916, given a medical grading suitable for infantry and sent to the Devon’s. At some point he must have managed to return to the ASC and then was renumbered RASC under the new numbering system in 1919. Edited 14 January , 2021 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NR72 Posted 14 January , 2021 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2021 Here is some more info on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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