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William E Honour - QOOH & Wiltshire Regiment


PriadofDamocles
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Good morning,

 

I was hoping for some help with my 2nd Great-Uncle's Army Form B.103 (Casualty Form Active Service).

 

It's one of the busiest I have come across and I just wanted to check that I had 'translated it' correctly! I've attached the appropriate sheet and my translation is written below in chronological order:

 

  • Enlisted 18/09/14
  • Attested/Embodied with QOOH 21/09/14
  • Appointed L/Cpl on 05/07/15 (I think?)
  • Transferred to '3rd Cavalry Regiment' (3rd Reserve Regiment of Cavalry as per LLT?) 01/04/17
  • Embarked (Southampton) 23/04/17, Disembarked (Rouen) 24/04/17, ?Field 02/05/17.
  • Compulsory transfer to infantry and posted to 6/Wiltshire at cavalry rates of pay on 24/09/17.

 

The rest of the document is fairly easy to understand, it appears that some of the earlier information is added at a later date in a heavier pen/pencil, possibly by the Adjutant of 3rd Reserve Hussars (again possibly 3rd Reserve Regiment of Cavalry).

 

There are two pieces of information I am less certain of, highlighted in the second photo in red:

 

  1. I have no clue what is written here!
  2. I think it reads '5/5/17 OC 1/1 RWY Joined Regiment" - I'm assuming this refers to 1/1 Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry which would make sense as they were affiliated with 3rd Reserve Regiment of Cavalry and later merged with 6/Wilts.

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated - hopefully I am not too far off the mark.

 

With very best wishes,

 

Mark

 

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He originally disembarked in France along with his brother in November 1914, probably at Le Havre according to the Bicester Herald.

MC

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6 hours ago, PriadofDamocles said:

 

There are two pieces of information I am less certain of, highlighted in the second photo in red:

 

     Try zapping his Medal Roll on Ancestry-  At the moment I am reading the entry for 5/5/17 as OC 1/1 RWF   -and Royal Welsh Fusiliers doesn't make a lot of sense-unless the Medal Roll shows with which units he served.

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Presuming it's this chap. SWB from Ancestry-thanks to them-shows and is with Duke of Edinburgh's (Wiltshire) Regiment

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George

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...and this from the same source

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George

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Hi Mark,

 

On 11/01/2021 at 12:17, PriadofDamocles said:

Enlisted 18/09/14

 

It looks like the '18' has been crossed through, and replaced by '21' which would make more sense as enlisted/attested are usually transposable. Unfortunately though, the comment which appears to be written at the same time as the amendment, isn't clear. It seems to read as "Serving on a [something]"

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It would appear that he served with 'B' Squadron, 1/1 RWY.

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Image sourced from a nominal roll held by The Wardrobe

 

On 11/01/2021 at 12:17, PriadofDamocles said:

I think it reads '5/5/17 OC 1/1 RWY Joined Regiment" - I'm assuming this refers to 1/1 Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry

 

The date of the event is shown as 2.5.1917. The relevant war diary is available as a free download from the National Archives - link. On p49/54 it shows:

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It later shows:

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Images sourced from The National Archives

 

Regards

Chris

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On 11/01/2021 at 18:21, Mike Cross said:

He originally disembarked in France along with his brother in November 1914, probably at Le Havre according to the Bicester Herald.

MC

 

Cheers Mike - where did you access Bicester Herald from?

 

On 12/01/2021 at 07:54, George Rayner said:

...and this from the same source

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George

 

Much appreciated George.

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1 hour ago, clk said:

Hi Mark,

 

 

It looks like the '18' has been crossed through, and replaced by '21' which would make more sense as enlisted/attested are usually transposable. Unfortunately though, the comment which appears to be written at the same time as the amendment, isn't clear. It seems to read as "Serving on a [something]"

image.png.108da8bdb657e3a3423d1d991ac14551.png

 

It would appear that he served with 'B' Squadron, 1/1 RWY.

image.png.b184ae1acaf302028f4d559400c39c0c.png

Image sourced from a nominal roll held by The Wardrobe

 

 

The date of the event is shown as 2.5.1917. The relevant war diary is available as a free download from the National Archives - link. On p49/54 it shows:

image.png.30f71b864e4a6cb6b7e5ca0905fee642.png

 

image.png.efcedf0c058d20e885e5640a8c589f19.png

 

image.png.ea35af6d83337823a636cfaa61762dae.png

 

It later shows:

image.png.6e16bd17f7cfb1a320cb1e86adfd41d1.png

Images sourced from The National Archives

 

Regards

Chris

 

Cheers Chris that is really helpful, thank you.

 

Thanks for the link to the War Diary, there's a complimentary entry in 6/Wilts WD for when they receive the draft of troops from the RWY.

 

Any idea why he would have been transferred to 3rd Cav Reserve Regt. from Oxfordshire Yeomanry? 

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The Oxfordshire Yeomanry were associated rather more with the 2nd Reserve Regiment of Cavalry and large numbers of men from the other component regiments of the 2nd RRC joined them on the Western Front in 1917/18.  Good information is contained on the LongLongTrail.

 

I have been collecting info on the QOOH for some years now and this snippet is from the Herald of 4/12/1914 found via FMPast.

 

Pte Honour was not the only man transferred to the Wiltshires; I suspect that he was one of a small group moved at the same time.

 

MC

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Hi Mark,

 

3 hours ago, PriadofDamocles said:

 

Thanks for the link to the War Diary, there's a complimentary entry in 6/Wilts WD for when they receive the draft of troops from the RWY.

 

No problem. Two of my great uncles (brothers) were 'A' Squadron 1/1 RWY who were also transferred to the 6/Wilts, so I guess that they may well have known William. Unfortunately, one of the brothers (my current avatar) didn't survive the conflict.

 

Regards

Chris

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mike Cross said:

The Oxfordshire Yeomanry were associated rather more with the 2nd Reserve Regiment of Cavalry and large numbers of men from the other component regiments of the 2nd RRC joined them on the Western Front in 1917/18.  Good information is contained on the LongLongTrail.

 

I have been collecting info on the QOOH for some years now and this snippet is from the Herald of 4/12/1914 found via FMPast.

 

Pte Honour was not the only man transferred to the Wiltshires; I suspect that he was one of a small group moved at the same time.

 

MC

 

I must admit that was my underst6anding as well, although it's really helpful to know others were transferred at the same time. I just assumed that he had annoyed someone!

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41 minutes ago, clk said:

Hi Mark,

 

 

No problem. Two of my great uncles (brothers) were 'A' Squadron 1/1 RWY who were also transferred to the 6/Wilts, so I guess that they may well have known William. Unfortunately, one of the brothers (my current avatar) didn't survive the conflict.

 

Regards

Chris

 

 

 

It would be nice to think he had made some 'chums' given his short time with the RWY.

 

He was only with 6/Wilts a matter of weeks before he was back in Blighty after an attack of Trench Fever. He was then posted to 2/Wilts in mid-1918 (most of 6/Wilts went over to their regular counterpart during the divisional reorganisations in early 1918) until he was wounded in a battalion attack somewhere between Locon and Hinges. That saw him invalided out by 1919.

 

It's interesting that you seem to get pairs of brother's joining up in Yeomanry regiments - William joined with my great-grandfather, David, in September '14. Three other brothers joined up during the war (although not with QOOH) and miraculously they all survived, if not unscathed.

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12 hours ago, George Rayner said:

...and this from the same source

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George

totally unrelated, but that typewriter work on William's name is downright artistic.

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23 minutes ago, JOVE23 said:

totally unrelated, but that typewriter work on William's name is downright artistic.

 

Haha! I hadn't noticed that before! 

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