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Hi everyone just doing a bit of research on the 1st East Lancashire regiment on the First day of the Somme. I have done a bit of research and look at the war diaries for that day but cant find any record for their casualties on that day, does anyone know the casualties that the 1st east Lancs suffered on that day?

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The WD of 4 Div Adjutant and Quarter - Master General also records the number of casualties but if you want a real challenge see the Official Casualty Lists that were printed in the Times. There is a large list of E Lancs Regt wounded in the edition of 01/08/1916 but I think the list you want is an even larger list of E Lancs Regt wounded in the Times OCL Saturday 12/08/1916. These lists name men from all Bns of the ELR but I looked at the first few names beginning with A. 18372 Anderton, E has a hospital admission 04/07/1916 (MH 106/945 - 2 GH) for gsw which records that he was 1 E Lancs Regt and was evacuated on Hospital Ship Asturias. Also in 106/945 admitted on the same date wounded and evacuated are Ptes 19253 Jackson, R, 19778 Kirby, T and 12571 Siggins, J. All are shown as 1 East Lancs and all are named in the Times OCL 12/08/1916. I did not check all the pages in 106/945 so there may be more. 

Brian

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I access The Times Digital Archive via my local branch of Lancashire Libraries. Forum members may be able to advise on other ways and means.

I have generally found that men from the same Unit, who were wounded on the same day, appear in the same OCL. It is a difficult exercise with Infantry because the OCLs name men from different Bns and you have to search for Service or Pension records and then check the AF B103 form (if there is one) which will show date of wound and Bn. You can check the names in the Service Medals and Awards Rolls on Ancestry to find the Bns or with FMP you can check the Service numbers for hospital admissions. I will have another look through MH 106/945.

Brian

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1 hour ago, brianmorris547 said:

Forum members may be able to advise on other ways and means.

 

I don't know if Brians' method probably varies much from mine.

 

My local county library service subscribes to something called Gales Databases. Unlike many of their other services I don't have to be in the library on one of their machines to use it, I just have to go via the Library website. I log in using my library card number and one of the resources that becomes available is The Times Digital Archive, covering 1785-1985.

 

If you are in the UK it's worthwhile checking out your local library service website to see whats available. During the current restrictions some are offering either Ancestry or FindMyPast, (sometime both) for home access rather than having to be on the premises.

 

Hope that helps,

Peter

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Peter

Yes my Lancashire Libraries Card allows me to to go into Gales and that is how I access the Times Digital Archive. 

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Had a further look through the Hospital Admissions Book MH 106/945. The book is 04/07/191 only - 2 General Hospital. 2 GH was at Havre and the admissions for that day went straight out onto Hospital Ships. They would have been sent to 2 GH from other medical facilities for evacuation. Some of the names in the OCL may have other admissions for Field Ambulances or Casualty Clearing Stations. I will try and find some.

There are nine more names from 1 E Lancs in 106/945 all admitted with gsw but I could only find four of them in the Times OCL 12/08/1916. 6778 CSM Whitbourne H (wrong number and spelling in the book), 7495 Hargreaves J, 6902 Flattley J and 19064 Roberts A. There are also a number of names from 11 E Lancs but these do not appear in the OCL. There are many errors in these Hospital Admissions books Series MH 106, usually names, numbers and Units, and corroboration is needed (AF B 103 in Service or Pension records) ideally. 

Brian

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Five more 1 East Lancs in MH 106/943 - 2 GH - all gsw and evacuated 03/07/1916.

5051 Pte Payne R, 18868 Pte Flight J, 19259 Pte Platt A (in book as 19859), 6697 Cpl Richardson H and 6957 Pte Duckworth J.

Only Ptes Payne, Platt and Duckworth in Times OCL 12/08/1916.

I was hoping to find one with a service or pension record to check the AF B 103.

EDIT 2

More 1 East Lancs wounded and evacuated in MH 106/944, 946 and 947. Most are named in the OCL 12/08/1916.

 

 

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The WDs of the Infantry Brigade and 4 A&QMG also record some 160 Missing. There is a large list, approx 100 names, of Missing - E Lancs Regt - in the Times OCL Saturday 19/08/1916.

The names in MH 106/944 are 12355 Pte Harrison W, 9912 L/Cpl Williams A, 20060 Pte Davies E (Davis G in OCL), 11517 Pte Houton J (Horton T in OCL), 10942 Pte Wright J R, 5547 C Coy Pte Smith H, 8939 Pte McCarthy J and 6496 Pte Kendall H.    All admitted wounded and evacuated on 03 or 04/07/1916.

The names in MH 106/946 are 18989 Pte Davies J (in OCL as Davis T), 11019 Pte King H C, 11100 L/Cpl Hocking J and 21016 Pte Brierley W (WO 363 shows shrapnel wound 01/07/1916). All admitted wounded and evacuated 04 and 05/07/1916.

In MH 106/947 is 20044 Pte Brooks A F - shown as wounded s s. He is not in the OCL 12/08 but will be recorded under Wounded - Shock (Shell) - E Lancs. I have not found the list.

Brian

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