L.Cpl David Murray R. Irish Fusiliers 23286, captured 21-28 March 1918

[AHull]

Good afternoon

 

Would anyone be able to assist in gleaning more information re the above.

 

He was my Grandfathers Uncle, and after the war served in the RIC/RUC becoming head Constable.

 

I have Nick Metcalfes book on the 9th, and have looked through the ususal ancestry and ICRC sites to no avail

 

Any help gratefully recieved

 

Andy

Edited 20 December , 2020 by AHull

[PRC]

Ok, I'll bite.

 

In which Theatre of War was he captured 21st to 28 November 1918

(In case it changes, thread title as at 16.09 GMT 20/12/2020)

 

Cheers,

Peter

[AHull]

2 minutes ago, PRC said:

Ok, I'll bite.

 

In which Theatre of War was he captured 21st to 28 November 1918

(In case it changes, thread title as at 16.09 GMT 20/12/2020)

 

Cheers,

Peter

Apologies.

 

Western Front.

 

Thanks.

[George Rayner]

Peter I think I can narrow it down for you. Presuming it's the correct man courtesy of FWR

First Name:D

Surname: Murray

Incident Details: War Office Daily List No.5770

Report Date: 13/01/1919

Rank: Lance Corporal

Service Number: 23286

Casualty Listed As: Released Prisoner of War from Germany, arrived in England

Next Of Kin Address: Armagh

 

[corisande]

This seems to be him on Red Cross site showing captured 27 March

 

[PRC]

So March 1918 it is then - good to know I'm not completely losing the plot

 

I assume you have checked his service medal roll for his Victory Medal and British War Medal to see if they confirm Battalions served with overseas?

 

If it was the 9th Battalion then their War Diary can currently be downloaded for free from the National Archive - you just need to register for an account if you haven't already got one and even that can be done as part of placing your first order - no financial details required. This should be the diary you need.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7354033

 

Having said which I would have though it would have been a primary resource for any book on the unit, so probably won't add anything additional.

 

Cheers,

Peter

 

[corisande]

And he is at Abbey St, Armagh in 1901 census on NAI

 

[George Rayner]

Ancestry

 

No date on Index card

[AHull]

1 minute ago, George Rayner said:

Ancestry

 

No date on Index card

Thank you for all the replies!

 

Thanks for this, I have found his medal index card, but nothing else on Ancestry, service record etc, would this indicate his record may be within the burnt records?

 

Thanks again

[corisande]

AS he arrived back from POW in Germany on 19 Jan 1919, he did not hang about.

 

1919 Nov 4 Enlisted in RIC

1920 Jan 21 Posted to Roscommon

1922 Apr 4.  Disbanded at Roscommon

 

I assume he went straight into RUC from there ?

 

This photo on an Ancestry Tree looks like an RUC uniform

[PRC]

23 minutes ago, corisande said:

This seems to be him on Red Cross site showing captured 27 March

 

 

The Commonwealth War Graves Commission website records 4 men of the 9th (North Irish Horse) Battalion, Royal Irish Fusiliers, who died on the 27th March 1918.

 

Three, (Private 15258 George Gilroy, Private 21645 Thomas John Gerald Haire and Private 17933 Frederick James Welsh) have no known grave and are remembered on the Pozieres Memorial. The fourth was recovered from a marked grave on the battlefield in April 1919.  Corporal H/71096 T. J. McCormick had a marker that recorded him as 759 1st North Irish Horse, Killed in Action 27th Mar 1918. The grave was located at map reference Sheet 57d  V.17.a.5.7. He now rests a Senlis Communal Cemetery Extension.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/599446/

 

However that seems to be north-west of Albert whereas Roye is some distance south-east of Albert having had a quick look on the map. Would be interesting to know where the Battalion War Diary places the unit.

 

Cheers,

Peter