AndyBsk Posted 30 July , 2021 Share Posted 30 July , 2021 Very nice sawback S1871 version, most real saxony proofed, unfortunally the stamping on spine is not extra good visible, Maker is Gebr. Simson, Suhl, which shortage G.S. is too on handle near proof, the both parts were probably assembled in Erfurt, as both parts are maker marked. There exist various explanation probably of similar unit stamp, L in that form is Landwehr or Lazaret or other parts? , there is missing the first number? the R is script so means a Reserve Landwehr Battalion ? 4. company weapon nr? Scabbard was marked in outdoted area with Rekruten Depot of unknown Regiment as is not visible the first digits. the normal unit is of 97.Reserve Inf.Regiment, 1.company and weapon nr.247 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 30 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2021 Thanks for letting me know Andy, had forgotten the spine pic, just added it, clear pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 30 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2021 Andy, are you saying those small Script G. S on pommel stand for Gerbr. Simeon? I know no other company that marks the pommel. Could it mean something else? I simply do not know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 31 July , 2021 Share Posted 31 July , 2021 (edited) Sorry Steve, where You get a Simeon? there is Simson clearly as well known firm that made ever in DDR time motorcycles. There is written in Ruediger, as mentioned large firms supplied parts to Erfurt or other royal armories where it was joined together. Similar could be found by HF1871 bayonets too,look at Roy Williams vol.I. Edited 3 August , 2021 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 31 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 31 July , 2021 Oops, typo, meant Simeon, sometimes phone change my words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 31 July , 2021 Share Posted 31 July , 2021 (edited) Sometimes is better turn off the automatic english corection of text in Mobile. Edited 31 July , 2021 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 6 August , 2021 Author Share Posted 6 August , 2021 (edited) Bayonet #47. 8/6/21 S.71. Standard Bayonet Maker Coulaux & C Lingenthal, the German speaking French Province that Germany took after the Franco Prussian War There is a G in center on maker stamp. Not sure what stood for Unit. 180.R.1.233. 180th Infantry Regiment, 1st company. Weapon #233. spine. Crown/W/ no read date? Below that, another crown/ over a script letter Almost always, from my observations, when another “set” on spine, the second set/ crown is smaller, almost by regulation??? On the Tang, just like bayonet # 45. An acceptance mark of crown/ letter. No one knew on last one, if that stamps, which most bayonets do not have was a separate inspection.Blade in very good shape. Brass pommel faded brass tone, not cleaned. The pommel acceptance stamps either 1 or 2 come in very small and this slightly larger size. Maybe just different stamps of different states? Cross guard with med/dark patina. Lower front face has crown/ some script letter worn? And an unknown stamp below that Scabbard Unit 133.R.6.144. 133th Infantry Regiment 6th company waffle 144 missing throat screw for blade catch/tongue. , final has acceptance stamp. Leather body has creases but still fits well Edited 6 August , 2021 by Steve1871 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 6 August , 2021 Share Posted 6 August , 2021 (edited) Nice bayonet, with Coulaux & Co, from Klingenthal in Alcase region, correctly mentioned captured by Germans in 1870/71 war, possible they delivered only blades and completation was done otherway, normal unit stamped piece.on spine of blade should be inspector proof not visible here, anyway the maker is scarce to find. The 180 IR is a Wurttemberg area regiment, the area is not wide from Alsace region. Raised even in 1897, in that time it was mostly paired with Gew88 already. Edited 6 August , 2021 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 14 August , 2021 Author Share Posted 14 August , 2021 (edited) Bayonet #48 S.71 standard. unit. 131.R.E.1.23. Original are-Match. 131 Infantry Regiment, Ersatz Battalion.1st Kompany.weapon 23. Guard was scrubbed of an earlier unit, see traces of a 9 to the end. Scabbard also has original unit hatched out Spine. Crown/W/77. Script C/crown. maker Coulaux & Co. Klingenthal, Alcase provence like last bayonet Bsyonet in nice condition, blade with no rust or patina. Cross guard in same condition. Pommel with single stamp, look’s like script C Scabbard in nice shape. Throat marked. Seam intact, both brass staples intact. Chape and final, both acceptance stamps as well Edited 14 August , 2021 by Steve1871 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 14 August , 2021 Author Share Posted 14 August , 2021 Forgot a photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 14 August , 2021 Share Posted 14 August , 2021 (edited) Maker corespond with unit, Alcase, 2. der Infanterie-Regimenter aus dem Bezirk Lothringen des Reichslandes Elsass-Lothringen, und das 131. des Deutschen Reiches. The crown is smaller could be different as W, 77 is earlier as started life the regiment, it was raised 1881. Scarce maker on this bayonet, about C on pommel, it should be better visible, it could be too different letter. Edited 14 August , 2021 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 14 August , 2021 Author Share Posted 14 August , 2021 Better pommel pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 14 August , 2021 Share Posted 14 August , 2021 The crown corespond with the previous piece, so probably proofed by Coulaux, the crown looks very small to compare the other bayonets proofs, it could be letter G or something else as not visible the right side, there was probably second letter on left side, You should look at crossguard proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 20 August , 2021 Author Share Posted 20 August , 2021 (edited) Bayonet # 49. 8/20/21 S.71 Unit. 146.R.11.234. 146 th Infantry Regiment.11th Company, weapon # 234 Spine W/75:/ crown /script C. Maker E. Wilhelm. Suhl. Pommel. Two sharp stamps, crowns over D & B This is my other Scarce/ rare maker. Part of the maker worn off but still readable . There is another matching Script B on lower front face of guard. On front side of guard, an odd marking, think have same mark on one other bayonet. Looks like two (V) very close together, not an m or anything, letters are not connected. Anyone have an idea, Please????🙁 Blade was cleaned up a bit, long ago, still in good shape. Brass in better shape. No scabbard with this one. 30 years collecting and only have two of this maker. To me, at least, it seems rare. I still do not have all makers yet, but trying. Hope you like Steve Edited 20 August , 2021 by Steve1871 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 20 August , 2021 Share Posted 20 August , 2021 (edited) Nice bayonet, with this Wilhelm Suhl maker is mostly real the blade was delivered to Erfurt and there mounted together, for this speaks different proofs on handle and crossguard, about the C on spine i am not 100% could be letter G too, as not visible the right side of stamp. The VV on crosspiece is mostly a technological stamp, anyway the proof R is different as on handle it could be the crossguard was replaced in time or the bayonet was repaired. For this speak the unit as the 146IR was raised in 1897, so the bayonet was attached probably on a Gew.88 rifle. Edited 20 August , 2021 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 20 August , 2021 Share Posted 20 August , 2021 Excellent Steve!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 27 August , 2021 Author Share Posted 27 August , 2021 On a 98/05, there was a large S on lower face of cross guard that several of you said was a maker stamp of some kind. On my S.71 bayonets, including this one have these Letters, on lower face of cross guard and on the side, this one has VV, any ideas guy’s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 27 August , 2021 Author Share Posted 27 August , 2021 Bayonet #50 8/27/21 S.71. Standard Maker. E.Wilhelm. Unit. 31.R.2.96. 31st Reserve Regiment. 2nd company waffe 96. Spine Crown/W/73/ script D. cross guard, lower face, Crown/ ( a letter) photo out focus, sorry. And below, a smaller crown over a C or G. Pommel scratched up a bit, the acceptance stamp either worn off or maybe a small part of crown at 2 o’ clock from button No Scabbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 27 August , 2021 Share Posted 27 August , 2021 http://genwiki.genealogy.net/RIR_31 Nice sample, Looks like no proof, or woried off on pommel, mostly completed by some arsenal with Wilhelm blade, different proof on crossguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 4 September , 2021 Author Share Posted 4 September , 2021 Bayonet #51. 9/3/21 S.71mS. Saw back Unit. 103.R.6.70. Saxon unit. 103rd Infantry Regiment, 6th company 70 weapon. Spine. Crown over C/ 80/ crown /A. Blade and guard in Very nice shape. saw teeth look unused, two stamps on pommel, look worn and maybe lightly struck. First may be a D, second is an A Scabbard nice and tight. Seam intact, both brass staples intact.Frog is very good. The scabbard has the Bavarian Bar, instead of tear drop frog stud. Have seen other Saxon as well as Wurttenberg scabbards with the Bar before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 4 September , 2021 Share Posted 4 September , 2021 Nice bayonet, with saxon IR103 marked, strange that no maker marking mentioned. I believe the inspector of blade was E stamp, above King Albert, from correct deciphered proofs on pommel, i would think its made by some Arsenal as different proof on pommel and blade, You should look at crossguard what is there for proof. When i remember correctly the scabbard could be bavarian, or other state, Saxony used a normal hook probably, any proofs on scabbard fittings? as the frog looks like a dress one, weak sewing with untypical large rivets. http://genwiki.genealogy.net/IR_103 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 8 September , 2021 Author Share Posted 8 September , 2021 Finally found more photo’s of this bayonet. From viewing other bsyonet’s that have had unit’s or other matking’s scrubbed. It looks like they always scrubbed/ ground left to right/ or across. This bayonet has some marks but length wise, like when blade was made. It look’s like lt was not maker marked, which is odd. It is unit marked and well marked on pommel . Spine well marked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 8 September , 2021 Share Posted 8 September , 2021 (edited) When the blade is same thickness it could be the maker of blade was not stamped, it all speak for Arsenal finishing, so the blade were delivered by contractor and completed in Arsenal like Spandau, Erfurt or other. The Saxon A king initial are both identical. Or the maker stamp was total weak and was removed by cleaning. When looking at rivets behind the guard in tang and handle, it looks like replaced so the bayonet could be repaired in time. Edited 9 September , 2021 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 10 September , 2021 Author Share Posted 10 September , 2021 Bayonet #52. 9/10/21 S.71 Unit ( crossed out) 73.R.3.35. 73rd Inf. Regiment, 3rd Co. waffe 35 Spine. Crown/W/73. Crown/not sure letter? Maker Gebr ( brothers) Weyersberg . Solingen Blade is really good, no rust or patina, cross guard in good shape. Front lower face of guard with Crown over A. Stamp. Pommel with single stamp, look to be a (P) Tang ( top) stamped Crown/C Scabbard is not unit marked but leather body exelent, just a small dent in final, with crisp stamp on final. I have not seen too many Gebr Weyersberg. Not rare but I trying to show the different Makers I have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 10 September , 2021 Share Posted 10 September , 2021 23 minutes ago, Steve1871 said: Bayonet #52. 9/10/21 S.71 Unit ( crossed out) 73.R.3.35. 73rd Inf. Regiment, 3rd Co. waffe 35 Spine. Crown/W/73. Crown/not sure letter? Maker Gebr ( brothers) Weyersberg . Solingen Blade is really good, no rust or patina, cross guard in good shape. Front lower face of guard with Crown over A. Stamp. Pommel with single stamp, look to be a (P) Tang ( top) stamped Crown/C Scabbard is not unit marked but leather body exelent, just a small dent in final, with crisp stamp on final. I have not seen too many Gebr Weyersberg. Not rare but I trying to show the different Makers I have So, that's for the Füsilier-Regiment Feldmarschall Prinz Albrecht von Preußen (Hannoversches) Nr. 73. These Weysersburg ones seem to have gone mainly to Saxony and Wurttemburg which explains their relative uncommoness. Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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