16th Northumberland Fusiliers info

[Lithgo]

I’m trying to find information or pictures of my relative who was killed in action. 1july 1916 at the battle of the Somme, he was part of the 16th Northumbrian Fusilers I believe he was a sergeant he was ages 26 when killed in action. Trying to find more information 

[Toontraveller]

Hi, Welcome to the Forum  if you could let us know what you have already found out then I’m sure people on the forum will try to help you😀.

Name  and service number would be a good start. Cheers.

There is a good book on the Northumberland Fusiliers released in last few years “Newcastle Commercials” 16th Service Battalion of the Northumberland Fusiliers by Ian Johnson. I am happy to lookup in the book any reference to him once we have more details.

Edited 11 May , 2022 by Toontraveller

[Matlock1418]

Hi Lithgo,

A warm welcome to GWF

 

OK folks - Commemorated by CWGC as: CURZON CONNINGSBY LITHGOW 16/269, 16th Northumberland Fusiliers

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/800854/CURZON CONNINGSBY LITHGOW

Those names might help - as alternatives to those offered.

 

MIC at the National Archives under almost those names above https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D3689414 

[ and at Ancestry/Fold3 https://www.fold3.com/image/325215456?terms=lithgow,curzon ] - as Lithgow, Curzon Conningsley

1914-15 Star, British War Medal & Victory Medal

Theatre of war France - entered 22-11-1915

:-) M

 

Note: Birth at GRO:

Name:	Mother's Maiden Surname:

LITHGO, CURZON  CONINGSBY	HARWOOD
GRO Reference: 1890  J Quarter in STOCKTON  Volume 10A  Page 72

Edited 24 November , 2020 by Matlock1418
added MIC details & GRO Birth details

[Lithgo]

SERJEANTCURZON CONNINGSBY LITHGOW 

Service Number: 16/269

Regiment & Unit/Ship

Northumberland Fusiliers

16th Bn.

Date of Death

Died 01 July 1916

Age 26 years old

Buried or commemorated at

THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

Pier and Face 10 B 11 B and 12 B.

France

[Lithgo]

Thanks just trying to find pictures 

[Matlock1418]

14 minutes ago, Lithgo said:

Thanks just trying to find pictures 

Fair enough - but it helps if we understand there may be a variety of spellings

Have you tried Newspapers? - often enlistments, stories and obituaries etc. can have photos.

:-) M

Edited 24 November , 2020 by Matlock1418

[Lithgo]

16 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

Volume

either Lithgo or lithgow the surname can be spelt either way 

[Matlock1418]

1 minute ago, Lithgo said:

either Lithgo or lithgow the surname can be spelt either way 

So it appears - as can be his second forename also be spelt variously on 'military'-style records

:-) M

[Toontraveller]

Hi, he is included in the index of Ian’s book mentioned above which should read “Newcastle Commercials“ 16 th Service Battalion , Northumberland Fusiliers “The story of Newcastle’s very first volunteer Battalion of the Great War “ published about 2016. The following information- 

Confirmed he was killed on the Somme, you have the information from the CWGC site.

parents Robert James Lithgow of Albert House, Seaton Carew , County Durham.

Family headstone Lithgow, 1916 . In St. Saviours churchyard Seaton Carew is a family headstone which includes “To the glory of God and in memory of Sergt Curzon Lithgow of the 16th Northumberland Fusiliers he dearly loved son of R.J Lithgow who was killed in action in France July 1916. Aged 26 years.“ 

 

He was part of B Company under the OC  Captain P.G Graham.

 

Sorry no photograph in the index but the book is over 400 pages long so he might be mentioned elsewhere in the book.

 

Well work seeing Out the book if you can purchase it or see if your local library can order it.

[PRC]

44 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

16th Northumberland Fusiliers

 

44 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

Theatre of war France - entered 22-11-1915

 

Our parent site, the Long, Long Trail, records that the 16th Battalion landed at Boulogne on the 22nd November 1915, so looks like he went out with them.

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-infantry-regiments-of-1914-1918/northumberland-fusiliers/

 

Battalion War Diaries can currently be downloaded for free from the National Archive - you just need to register for an account, (no financial deatils required), and even that can be done as part of placing your first order. Almost certainly won't mention him by name, but will give a feel for where they were and what they were up to in the remaining months of his life.

Believe this should be the one you need:-

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7353775

 

The Battalion was also known as the Newcastle Commercials. Here's a brief piece from The Somme Day by Day:-

 

1st July 1916. Thiepval

The 32nd and 36th (Ulster)Divisions attacked here attempting to capture the high ground around the village of Thiepval. Fortunes were mixed for various units. South of Thiepval the 17th Highland Light Infantry crawled to within 40 yards of the German line before zero hour and dashed forward to capture the Leipzig Redoubt and establish a new line 400 yards beyond it. At Thiepval itself the Newcastle Commercials were decimated as they advanced through the gaps in their own wire, while the Salford Pals advanced through the village only to be cut off and destroyed by the Germans who were supposed to have been killed in their dugouts by the artillery. By afternoon, the HLI had retreated back to the German line, support having failed to reach them.

https://forum.irishmilitaryonline.com/showthread.php?9058-The-Somme-Day-by-Day

 

Just did a quick google and came up with this book https://www.pen-and-sword.co.uk/The-Newcastle-Commercials-Hardback/p/16367

No doubt it's available on other sites.

 

1 hour ago, Lithgo said:

pictures of my relative

 

Afraid these are the holy grail. Best bet is alway local newspapers.

 

Cheers,

Peter

 

Edit: Please only raise one thread at a time for the same question. I see Matlock and I have both duplicated effort on anwers that have been given on the other thread. As author you should have the option to lock one of the thread or ask the moderators to merge them to keep all the information in one place. Thanks.

Edited 24 November , 2020 by PRC

[58 Div Mule]

16-269 Serjt C.C. Lithgow was a member of No 6 Platoon, B Company.

 

The OC, B Coy, was Capt P. G. Graham (killed 1 July 1916).

 

His platoon commander was 16-305 Serjt J. Weldon DCM.

 

Of the 40 men in 6 Platoon, 7 were killed and 14 wounded on 1 July 1916.

 

Source: Historical records of the 16th (Service) Battalion, Northumberland Fusiliers by Capt C. H. Cooke MC, published 1923.

 

If you’re interested I’d strongly recommend Ian Johnson’s book mentioned above.

 

58 DM.

[A tapp]

On 24/11/2020 at 21:11, Lithgo said:

I’m trying to find information or pictures of my relative who was killed in action. 1july 1916 at the battle of the Somme, he was part of the 16th Northumbrian Fusilers I believe he was a sergeant he was ages 26 when killed in action. Trying to find more information 

Hi. Lots on ancestry app. I am looking for info and any living family as I have a personal interest in him 

[Matlock1418]

Also see this thread

M