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Machine Gun Corps - Right Wing Company


Matlock1418

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In the course of other research I came across this chap https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/381163/HARRY EARNEST GAY = Recorded as Machine Gun Corps (Infantry) Right Wing Coy.

 

And I have elsewhere see another similar reference associated with the MGC

 

  • What was a Right Wing Company?

 

And was there such a thing as a Left Wing Company?

:-/ M

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"Right Wing Company" referred to their position when drawn up on parade (and yes, there would have been a "Left Wing Company" as well). Anywhere else it would probably have been called "A" Company. It had no other significance than that.

 

Ron

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Strange one! Clearly noted on the CWGC. However there is a pension record for him which gives his service record. This showing he had been a pre was regular (Lancers). He enlisted in London Reg and then transferred to MGC on 4/11/1916 then went to France with 170th Coy 10/2/1917. He appears to have spent just 30 days in France. Then posted R D Coy  in UK 12/3/1917 and then R D HQ Coy 13/2/1918. He died at home while on demob leave due to acute bronchitis. Possibly some typo regarding his unit. I presume R D is Reserve Depot

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7 minutes ago, Ron Clifton said:

"Right Wing Company" referred to their position when drawn up on parade (and yes, there would have been a "Left Wing Company" as well). Anywhere else it would probably have been called "A" Company. It had no other significance than that.

That would seem logical for Left & Right Wings.

Wonder why CWGC used it??

The other reference was when it was apparently used in an address - see: http://www.crichparish-ww1.co.uk/leamillspages/buckleyfred.html

"L/Cpl F. Buckley No 82770  Right Wing Company, Machine Gun School  Harrowly Camp, Grantham"

???

As an alternative for an "A" Coy - Numbering off from the right, eh?

:-) M

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11 minutes ago, david murdoch said:

However there is a pension record for him which gives his service record.

Thanks for the SR for Gay - wasn't looking into him or planning to go to his pension, but decided to do after all - have updated a few tags at WFA/Fold3.

:-) M

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Positions on parade are referred to as flanks, just as they had originally been when drawn up on the field of battle.  It’s for that reason that the Scots Guards have the tradition of titling two of their companies Right Flank and Left Flank as a linear link with what had once been their Grenadier and Light Companies.  The term Wing refers to the two halves of an infantry battalion when divided equally.  It was traditional before the 4-company system was introduced to follow a convention of dividing structures tactically by two.  Ergo a battalion was divided into two wings, a company into two platoons and a platoon into two sections.  It is also the origin of the term Wing Commander, i.e. he who commands the half-battalion.  It was common when a battalion was stationed in India to cover a large station by having the Bn HQ and a wing in one cantonment and the other wing in another  cantonment some distance away.  Each was commanded by a field officer.

 

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5 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

Positions on parade are referred to as flanks, just as they had originally been when drawn up on the field of battle.  It’s for that reason that the Scots Guards have the tradition of titling two of their companies Right Flank and Left Flank as a linear link with what had once been their Grenadier and Light Companies.  The term Wing refers to the two halves of an infantry battalion when divided equally. ...

FS. Thank you for your comprehensive post.

I had never encountered the term before.

Interesting that the nomenclature was in the MGC [apparently in the UK at least it would seem - did it go overseas with them? Or o/s with other units like the Scots Guards when they had gone to the four-company system??]

So much to learn from GWF.

:-) M

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4 hours ago, Matlock1418 said:

FS. Thank you for your comprehensive post.

I had never encountered the term before.

Interesting that the nomenclature was in the MGC [apparently in the UK at least it would seem - did it go overseas with them? Or o/s with other units like the Scots Guards when they had gone to the four-company system??]

So much to learn from GWF.

:-) M


I don’t know what the term refers to in relation to the MGC.  It’s not something I’ve heard of before, but maybe refers to the two enormous camps in the MGC training centre at Grantham (Belton Park), one on each side of the town (the second part at Harrowby).  More research will be required to try and find additional references to it.  It doesn’t make sense for units in the field, as initially companies were numbered according to their Brigade, and then in 1918 formed into battalions numbered in accordance with their Division.  It’s difficult to see how designating a single company Right Wing would fit into that construct.

 

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Another reference to Right Wing Company, Machine Gun Corps

https://clophillhistory.mooncarrot.org.uk/WW1survivors.php

Refers to: Arthur Samuel Peck 31518 of Clophill.

[Source(s) not provided - on the face of it because of the level of detail provided on the site one suspects that a 'burnt record' Service Record may perhaps be available for consultation and a search for such seems likely to be worthwhile].

:-) M

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19 hours ago, Matlock1418 said:

Another reference to Right Wing Company, Machine Gun Corps

https://clophillhistory.mooncarrot.org.uk/WW1survivors.php

Refers to: Arthur Samuel Peck 31518 of Clophill.

[Source(s) not provided - on the face of it because of the level of detail provided on the site one suspects that a 'burnt record' Service Record may perhaps be available for consultation and a search for such seems likely to be worthwhile].

:-) M


Given that his other company was 101, which relates to 101st Brigade in the field, it adds some weight to the likelihood that Right Wing company related to the MGC Training Reserve.

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Once again thanks for your reply - certainly starting to look like you conclude in the UK for the MGC

:-) M

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  • 6 months later...

Im currently looking at Sgt Charles Saigeman 20617 MGC.  His service record notes 

4/8/17 Rec; Dep: left Wing M.G.C. Grantham.

5/11/17 Right Wing Coy Transferred to No 7 Batt Grantham.

 

It is possible that as it is a training unit that Left and Right Wing would run different courses or stages of training?

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2 hours ago, Ed ROBINSON said:

Im currently looking at Sgt Charles Saigeman 20617 MGC.  His service record notes 

4/8/17 Rec; Dep: left Wing M.G.C. Grantham.

5/11/17 Right Wing Coy Transferred to No 7 Batt Grantham.

 

It is possible that as it is a training unit that Left and Right Wing would run different courses or stages of training?

As the term seemed to be specific to the depot and training school at Grantham that seems a possibility.  Most training schools operated a phased training regime and moving from one wing to another at a particular stage would chime with that, but unfortunately there’re only tantalising hints in that regard.

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