josquin Posted 25 September , 2020 Share Posted 25 September , 2020 I am requesting any information available for two officers who were commissioned in 1916 or earlier: Lieutenant S.M. Smith, of 1/23rd Battalion of the London Regiment 2nd Lieut. C. Brown, of 6th Battalion of the West Yorkshire Regiment Biographical information (forenames, birthdate, birthplace, education and prewar activities and employment, wartime postings, and postwar life are all of interest. Any assistance will be appreciated greatly. Regards, Josquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 25 September , 2020 Share Posted 25 September , 2020 A Pte. Cyril Brown of the West Yorkshire Regt. was gazetted 2nd Lt. into the same Regt. on 27 January 1916 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29463/page/1374 (the heading is on page 1373). Territorial Force of which 6th West Yorks was a unit. Although he appears to have been promoted to Lt. on 27 July 1917 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30376/supplement/11675 (the heading West Yorks. Regt. is on page 11674). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Owl Posted 25 September , 2020 Share Posted 25 September , 2020 Cyril Brown has a medal index card which gives his service number as 2536 prior to his commission into the West Yorks. Regt. An address is also given: 'Rhodesia', 250, Ifflay Road, Oxford Being an other rank in the 6th Bn would point to the fact that he was either born in Bradford or certainly working/living there prior to WW1. Your best bet would be to see if his Officer's Service Record is held at the National Archives, if so then this will fill in lots of details regarding his service and personal details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 September , 2020 Share Posted 25 September , 2020 S.M. Smith is noted on the ever excellent "airhistory.org" which will give some references to him in RFC- he was wounded by a (groundfire?) rifle bullet in the shoulder in October 1916. I have not yet located an officer file for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 25 September , 2020 Share Posted 25 September , 2020 To add to Guest's post - 2nd Lt. S. M. Smith was appointed Flying Officer (Observer), R.F.C., and seconded from the London Regt. 31 July 1916 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29976/page/2380 I have yet to turn him up in the Gazette Index. Edit: The March 1916 Army List gives his date of commissioning as 2 November 1915, but still cannot find his name in the Gazette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josquin Posted 26 September , 2020 Author Share Posted 26 September , 2020 Harry, GUEST, and Old Owl, Thank you for your highly informative posts. Lieutenant Smith has been difficult to research because there does not appear to be an Army Officer's Service Record for him in the WO 339 series at the National Archives. Best regards, Josquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 26 September , 2020 Share Posted 26 September , 2020 Josquin-could you put up details of what you have, so we can try and work into this backwards?? An aircrash perhaps (fatal/non-fatal??) Alas, Brown and Smith are 2 of the commonests English surnames,which makes it that much harder -The old advice for doing family history,if you are stuck, is to go for the most uncommon surname and pray there no Smiths or Browns but your 2 set a challenge from the start! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josquin Posted 27 September , 2020 Author Share Posted 27 September , 2020 GUEST, Regrettably, I have no information about S.M. Smith other than his rank and regiment. I did find a reference on Findmypast for a Sidney Mitchell Smith in "London Volunteer Soldiers 1859-1955," but I could not access it as I am not a subscriber. A London Gazette search for Sidney Mitchell Smith did not yield any results. Old Owl was spot on about Cyril Brown and Bradford--a Cyril Brown was born in 1881, at Mickley, West Riding, was a Bradford resident at the time of the 1911 Census, and he died in Bradford, in 1939. As you stated, researching an officer with the Smith surname is a daunting challenge, indeed. The absence of service records in the WO 339 and AIR 76 files at the National Archives may be due to postwar service with the RAF. If so, his service record would be at the MOD, but inaccessible without knowing his forenames and birthdate. Again, my thanks for your help. Best regards, Josquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 27 September , 2020 Share Posted 27 September , 2020 The findmypast record refers to Sidney Mitchell Smith, 6539727, 3rd Battn. London Regt., enlisted 1 October 1930 discharged 30 September 1934. There is also an R.A.F. Officers' Service record for an S. M. Smith. It gives no Christian names, or rank, or date of birth, or address; it simply states, in one column, "CDD 12/5/1918" and a note "Sheet Started 6/7/18". The only London Gazette notification I can find is the one posted above regarding his secondment to the R.F.C. He is included in the April 1918 Air Force List in the section Flying Officers and Observers but only with his initials. He is not in the 1922 Air Force List on the National Library of Scotland site under Flying Officers. There is no listing for him in the London Gazette index, Royal Air Force section, checking up to and including 1930 - no promotion, no being placed on the unemployed list, no relinquished commission - nothing. Unless he was still serving after 1930 it would seem to suggest that he died, but wildcard searching the BMD deaths index "S*. M. Smith" throws up no convincing hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josquin Posted 28 September , 2020 Author Share Posted 28 September , 2020 Harry, Your research to learn more about Lieut. S.M. Smith is appreciated greatly. The AIR 76 service record was a minimal afterthought that is unhelpful, but it does not list a placement on the Unemployed List as these records generally do. Thank you for clarifying the dates of service for Sidney Mitchell Smith. I could not find BMD birth and death registrations for any Sidney Mitchell Smiths in England and Wales, so it appears that we have reached the end of the trail in this instance. Best regards, Josquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 28 September , 2020 Share Posted 28 September , 2020 As Mr Voltage has noted, S M Smith gets the following mentions on the Air History site; Smith SM S M Mil Record AIR 76/473/158 33001 SMITH Smith 2Lt SM S.M. Lond. R. T.F. 15.11.16 to be Flying Officer (Observer) with seniority from 31st July 1916 and to be seconded Gazette 17. 2380 15702 161115 SMITH Smith 2Lt SM SM London Regt 9Sq 31.07.16 attached movement CF22556 30042 London Regt 160731 SMITH Smith 2Lt SM SM 9th Loyal North Lancs Regt 24.09.17 accepted as Obs on prob movement CF22557 30043 Loyal North Lancs Regt 170924 SMITH Smith 2Lt SM 23 London R 00.03.18 Flying Officer Observer ALMar18 25/img_3683 1950 180300 SMITH Smith 2Lt SM 9Sq 12.10.16 wounded [- -] Wounded in shoulder by rifle bullet. 2Lt SM Smith wounded (Obs) CasBook AIR 1/967 p65 703 161012 SMITH Smith 2Lt SM 1/23 London R 9Sq France 12.10.16 Wounded [- BE2c] Bullet wound in shoulder CasCard 285754 22271 161012 SMITH Note that Hubert Stacey Marten Smith, 9 Sqn, was in a plane with L.C. Burcher a week before SM Smith was. Coincidence? Smith 2Lt HSM H.S.M Lond. R. T.F. 01.06.17 to be TLt whilst serving with R.F.C. Gazette 17. 7195 23240 170601 SMITH Smith 2Lt HSM H.S.M. Lond. R. T.F 22.04.17 to be Flying Officer Gazette 17. 4603 18835 170422 SMITH Smith HSM Harry S M Mil Record AIR 76/471/108 32590 SMITH Smith Capt HSM Hubert Stacey Marten London Regt 9601 Pte. London Regt 2Lt. RFC Captain Medals WO 372/18/149581 40538 SMITH Smith 2Lt HSM 9Sq 05.10.16 Ok [5739 BE2e] Damaged on landing from practice contact patrol. 2Lt LC Burcher Ok/2Lt HSM Smith Ok CasRep AIR 1/845 1710 Ancestry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josquin Posted 28 September , 2020 Author Share Posted 28 September , 2020 IPT, The Air Force List for April 1918 has separate listings for Lt. S.M. Smith and Lt. H.S. Marten-Smith. The AIR 76 Officer's Service Record at TNA lists Hubert Stacey Marten-Smith and records postings to 12 Squadron (22 April 1917, also appointed Flying Officer) and to 59 Squadron as Flight Commander (4 February 1918). Posted to Home Establishment on 26 April 1918, he was assigned to training squadrons in the U.K. until he was placed on the Unemployed List (24 April 1919). The AIR 76 record does not mention a posting to 9 Squadron in 1916, but the casualty report confirms this service. A coincidence, indeed, that warrants further investigation, as Captain Smith is also listed as H.S.M. Smith as well as H.S. Marten-Smith, as you noted. Thank you for calling this to my attention. Best regards, Josquin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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