Lost Badge Brooch in 1915, King's Liverpool

[davidbohl]

What kind of Badge Brooch was this in July 1915 ? or is this dependent on finding which battalion Frank was in ?

From the BNA, Nottingham Evening Post 8th July 1915

 

Thanks

Dave

[TullochArd]

King's Liverpool, couldn't have been a more multi cap badged unit could it ........ Hanoverian Horse, LI Bugle, Liverpool Irish, Liverpool Scottish, Liverpool Pals ......... 

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

A sweetheart brooch?

[FROGSMILE]

21 minutes ago, davidbohl said:

What kind of Badge Brooch was this in July 1915 ? or is this dependent on finding which battalion Frank was in ?

From the BNA, Nottingham Evening Post 8th July 1915

 

Thanks

Dave

The most likely was the standard Hanoverian horse badge, as for any other type it would have been necessary to give the name, e.g. Liverpool Rifles, and then describe the design of the badge.

[TullochArd]

............  I guess the only real route we have is a connection with whoever lived at "97 Musters-road" (Nottingham) in 1915?

 

Edited 20 September , 2020 by TullochArd

[PRC]

On the 1911 Census of England & Wales the family living at 97 Musters Road, West Bridgford, Nottingham, are the Nelson’s. Parents are George Thomas, (58, a Director of a Plain Lace Net Manufacturer) and Elizabeth, (56). The couple have been married 37 years and have had 10 children, of which 8 were then still alive, 6 were still living with them. Male children still single and living with them are George Gray Nelson, (23) and Percy, (18). All the family members were born Nottingham.

 

Given that there were four unmarried daughters still at home, it can’t be ruled out that one subsequently married and initially stayed at home with their parents – Frank could be a son-in-law.

 

Going back to the 1901 Census the family were already living at 97 Musters Road. The two sons living with them are then listed as George Thomas Gray Nelson, (13) and Percy William Nelson, (8). There are no additional male children.

 

The marriage of a George Thomas Nelson to an Elizabeth Gray was registered in the Nottingham District in the April to June quarter, (Q2), of 1874. I can identify 6 of the children just by looking for births registered in the Nottingham District with surname Nelson, mothers maiden name Gray, but again, no additional male children.

 

The General Registrars Office index of deaths in England & Wales includes a George T. Nelson whose death was registered in the Nottingham District in Q2 1926, aged 72.

 

The 1926 Probate Calendar records that George Thomas Nelson of Nottingham and West Bridgford, died 25th May 1926 at 97 Musters Road, West Bridgford. Probate was granted to William Henry Northage, Director, and John Clifford Newbould, engineer – so no Frank there either.

https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=Nelson&yearOfDeath=1926&page=2#calendar

 

So if “Frank” was a spouse, then may be worth checking the 1918/1919 AVL’s, or even just the general Electoral Register for the area. If it was a sweetheart brooch for a romance that didn’t come to fruition, (possibly through the death of the soldier), then official paperwork isn’t likely to help. The best you can hope is probably an in memoriam notice placed by one of the daughters.

 

Hope some of that helps,

Peter

[TEW]

The newspaper article is dated 8/7/1915 while the inscription on the badge is dated 15th July. The badge can't be for 15th July 1915 unless he was intending to get married a week later, it could be for any year?

TEW

[PRC]

Other than George and Percy the other children I could identify were:-

 

Elizabeth Maude Nelson

1891 Census Elizabeth Maude, (16). Probably birth registered Nottingham, Q4 1874, mothers maiden name not available in the sources I have access to. 1901 Maude Elizabeth, (26). No obvious subsequent marriage or death in the Nottinghamshire area.

 

Clara Eliza Nelson

Birth registered Nottingham, mothers’ maiden name Gray, Q1 1876. 1881 Census Clare E, (6), 1891 Census Clara Eliza, (15). 1901 Census Clara Eliz, (25). The marriage of a Clara Eliza Nelson to either a William Guy or a James Cox Clements was recorded in the Basford District in Q4 1902. On the 1911 Census there is no obious match for a Clara or Eliza Guy of the right age and birthplace, but there is a 34 year old Clara Eliza  Clements, born Nottingham, who has been married for 8 years to a James Cox Clements, a Lace Manufacturer. The couple were living at 92 Musters Road, West Bridgford.

 

Alice Gertrude Nelson

Birth registered Nottingham, mothers’ maiden name Gray, Q1 1880. 1881 Census Alice G, (5). 1891 Census Alice Gertrude, (14). 1901 Census Alice Gert, (21). 1911 Census Alice G, (31). Possible marriage – an Alice G. Nelson married a Harrison Grundy in the Basford District in Q3 1914.

 

Constance Amy Nelson

Birth registered Nottingham, mothers’ maiden name Gray, Q4 1881. 1891 Census Amy Constance, (9). 1901 Census Amy Const, (19). 1911 Census Amy, (29). No obvious subsequent marriage or death in the Nottinghamshire area.

 

Ethel Eileen Nelson

Birth registered Nottingham, mothers’ maiden name Gray, Q1 1884. Probable death – Ethel Eileen, aged 1, Nottingham District Q1 1885.

 

Edith Vere Nelson

Birth registered Nottingham, mothers’ maiden name Gray, Q1 1886. 1891 Census Edith Vere, (5). 1901 Census Edith Vere, (15). 1911 Census Edith, (25). An Edith V. Nelson married a Clifford J. Newbould in the Basford District in Q3 1916. As a John Clifford Newbould was one of her fathers legal executors, I suspect that is the same Edith.

 

Harry Harrold Nelson

1891 Census Harry Harrold, (2). Probably the birth record was the one for Henry Harold Nelson, mothers maiden name not transcribed in the sources available to me, which was recorded in the Basford District, Q2 1889. Basford Civil Registration District included West Bridgford. Possible death record – the death of a 5 year old “Harry Harold T” Nelson was registered in the Basford District in Q1 1895.

 

Daphne Florence Nelson.

Birth registered Basford District, mothers’ maiden name Gray, Q3 1898. 1901 Census Daphne Florence, (2), born West Bridgford. 1911 Census Daphne, (12).

 

That plus George and Percy gives you 10 children, of which at least 7 appear to be alive at the time of the 1911 Census.

 

One other thought. Google and Wiki tell me that West Bridgford is an affluent suburb to the south of Nottingham. And throughout the censuses I tracked the Nelson’s have a series of young unmarried female domestic staff, reflecting their financial status. So if Frank of the Kings Liverpool Regiment was the boyfriend of one of the servants and she lost the brooch, she may have played on the finders expectation of reward by quoting her employers address.

 

Again, hoping some of that helps,

 

Peter

[davidbohl]

As ever Peter, meticulous research, a few more clips from the BNA back up your thoughts about it being a wealthy household, also known as Cerdre House.

I'll go to the library tomorrow and have a trawl through the service records for Kingsmen in their locality.

thanks

Dave

 

 

[TEW]

This snippet from a Nottingham directory is a bit later, 1920 but it may provide further clues.

 

Image courtesy of Ancestry 

 

97 Musters Rd.

As before - GT Nelson Manager of Boden & Co. (Lacemakers I think)

Same man? also in Albert Rd. Grey Nelson & Co. Lacemakers.

 

Then Percy William Nelson at 97 Musters Rd. of Wm. Nelson & Co. Lacemakers

 

Couldn't help notice Frank H Nelson lace warehouse man in Pierrpont Rd. He has same position in 1914.

TEW

[davidbohl]

2 hours ago, TEW said:

Frank H Nelson

Oh so close TEW, born 1873

There's a SWB for a Frank Harold Nelson  #M2/139387 ASC, might have been attached KLR?

 

[Kath]

On 20/09/2020 at 09:59, davidbohl said:

What kind of Badge Brooch

Ad. in THE TIMES 9th. September 1915:

[JulianB]

Yes, there were a number of badges worn by the KLR. Apart from sweetheart brooches made by UK jewellers, there are also badges "converted into brooches".

The best known ones are the silver Liverpool Pals - very many were converted into brooches.