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The last of the bayonets I found (or parts of it). I will be grateful for your help in developing the scabbard for the bayonet KS 98. Date and place of manufacture unknown. 
1) As far as I know, the bayonet KS98 was accepted for armament on April 30, 1901 for machine gun shooters. In 1902 it started to be handed over to troops in Prussia and in 1903 in Bavaria. On the basis of the order from October 1, 1909 they were given to airborne units. Since April 1913 they were introduced to all machine gun units and later to transport, communication and colonial units.  Production was discontinued at the turn of 1914 and 1915. Are these dates correct? Later on, the produced commemorative and output items, etc., were used for the production of the rifles. (unfortunately, I do not know the scale of production or the dates when they were produced)
2) Is it possible to determine, after a scabbard that has been preserved in such a way, whether it is a combat copy or a later one, e.g. a commemorative one produced later?
3) In what years was it used in the regular army and in what years? 
4) Do you know anything about its use in World War II? 
5) Do you know anything about the scale of production of the bayonet with this scabbard and where it could have taken place? Or the vagina itself when it was produced, if that is the case. If it was a mass production, it is enough for me to have this information without giving details. 
5) Standard question: It was found together with the rifles: Mannlicher 1888/90, Mauser Gew98 and Mauser Kar98AZ. Could it have been linked to any of them?

I'd appreciate any information you can give me on this material. And possibly (but not necessarily) for the literature from which you have information.

Thank You




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I know the issue KS98 through the a Great War , the scabbards had an inspection stamped into the frog stud.  The others you talk of are thought of as parade type. Still the same bayonet, often engraved and or chromed. I may be wrong, but I do not think these parade type, made through WW 2, would have their scabbards stamped with the military acceptance . The scabbard you show is too far gone to see if any mark is there. I believe that one marking is the only difference between issue ( combat/ war time) and parade. Again, the scabbard itself is the same

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As mentioned by Steve, from the lip of scabbard it would be more real a KS98 dress piece, which is more frequentant. The combat KS98 looks different probably.

From Your comments on S14 thread we assume there are items from end of 40 ies, possible with Gendarmery background, to this is fully corect using of S84/98, Vz.24 and KS98 dress bayonet (personal weapon), only problematic piece in the bunch is the S14?, which could be remains of older polish equipment, is obvious that the Gendarmery used old polish location, stuff and others. Personally dont believe that S14 was used by german post 1918, so only explanation is its a found piece, or polish used it still post 1919 by second line units or different guards etx. To this corespond the M90 Mannlicher which were stopped production on end of 19 centr and was used in Austria Ugria and mostly remained in area of Poland.

It would be nice to see the founds pieces on picture by find  time as this are after cleaning lost the majority of material, sometimes even on rust items could be found any stamps or marking, after heavily cleaning is all lost, as too much material was removed. Other point is the condition of earth there or area where it was buried was very bad for metall as normally similar condition are found items from WW1 not from WW2.

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Thank you, Steve. Thank you, Andy.
I know I'm asking a lot of you to try and get an exact date from the scabbard shells so destroyed. As an archaeologist, I've also learned that some of the elements of a given object are identical at different times and the differentiating elements often do not survive. So thank you for explaining the differences and sharing your comments. It is important that knowledge is not lost, but that it goes into the world.
It also seems to me that this whole complex of relics is rather related to the Second World War. Although the use of earlier equipment is also interesting.

I don't know if I'm doing well to put so many different threads on the forum, but it seems to me that if somebody is looking for information about a bayonet or a rifle in the future, it will be easier for them to do it as it will be in individual conversations rather than in one long discussion. That's why I posted another topic with a similar request for Mannlicher. He, along with the S14 bayonet, seems to me the oldest weapon.
And I will try to add photos also before the maintenance because it is really better to have a full overview. Unfortunately sometimes these photos are of different quality. But as if I can try to add more photos taken another time.


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