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Fantastic!  You are so close and I can see the error instantly.  Remember there were several towns that I was unsure of - they had identical names or I could not find a latitude / longitude.  You left them in.

 

Remove them!  Save the file.  You are almost done my friend!!!

 

So, remember there was an error in line 11?  Line 11 has the work Givry.  Nothing else on the line.  Remove it

Now, see line 18 - it just has the word Villers Cotteretts.  Nothing else on the line.  Remove it.

 

Ditto for every blank line.  Then go to Westouter.  That is the last place he visited.  For some reason you've copied the entire file twice.  Delete every line after Westouter.

 

I think it will now work.  However, you've copied the cells with the raw description as well.  Here is line 1:

 

North Camp Farnborough    -0.747945    51.2758547                Rouen        <Placemark><name>North Camp Farnborough</name><Point> etc

It should just read:

<Placemark><name>North Camp Farnborough</name><Point><coordinates> etc

 

You might want to clean this up even though Google Maps is clever enough to work.

 

Let us know how you go - I think we're almost there now.  While you left out the header lines and the footer, it appears that Google Maps will still work.  Otherwise it is 30 seconds to fix.

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I can't send the excel data, everytime i open or try to attach it, it says saved as wrong file.    This is heavy going, i thought it would be easy.    Is the a video i can watch showing me on youtube?

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You told us there was an error in the kml file and Google identified it on line 11.  You attached test.kml.  I told you that the error on line 11 could be fixed by removing the work Givry from line 11 (and removing similar errors).  Then I suggested you save the file and ran it again.  You have returned with a query about Excel data.

 

In another post I told you to copy column K from Excel into Notepad and add a few lines to the top and 2 lines to the bottom.  You copied 4 or 5 columns from Excel file into Notepad but not the top and bottom lines I supplied.

 

So let us start again.  Please open test.kml in Notepad and make the corrections from post #27 and save it.  Import it into Google Maps and let us know how you go.  Please don't open any other file but test.kml.  I am very happy to help and get you going so you are comfortable doing this for other battalions.

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Ok im sorry, i haven't used excel or notepad, microsoft word in years since i was at school so i have forgotten things.   Here is test.kml file and as you can see all the information is scattered, i cant tell what's what.    Do i need to organize the data so it's easier to read or is it like that anyway?   

test.kml

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No need to apologise, we are all here to help and it took me a few years to become proficient (and I've still much to learn from members of this forum)!  Do 3 or 4 of these in the next few months and we will be asking you to help us ...

 

I've corrected test.kml by adding 9 lines at the top, 2 at the bottom and then a series of lines in the middle that look like this.

 

Placemark><name>North Camp Farnborough</name><Point><coordinates>-0.747945,51.275855</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>-0.747945</longitude><latitude>51.275855</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>South Farnborough Station</name><Point><coordinates>-0.755726,51.296605</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>-0.755726</longitude><latitude>51.296605</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Port of Southampton</name><Point><coordinates>-1.419944,50.891219</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>-1.419944</longitude><latitude>50.891219</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>

 

Then I tested it in Google Earth and Google Maps.  Here is a link to your file in Google Maps.  Looks good.

 

Here is the corrected test.kml.  Paste it into Notepad or download it.

 

 

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<kml xmlns="http://www.opengis.net/kml/2.2" xmlns:gx="http://www.google.com/kml/ext/2.2">
  <Document>
    <name>Loyal North Lancashire Regimental Journey, Farnborough to Ypres, 1914</name>
    <!-- The long, long trail from England to the Battle of First Ypres in 1914 -->
    <open>1</open>
    <description>
      In Google Earth, click on each placemark to sail to that point.
    </description>
<Placemark><name>North Camp Farnborough</name><Point><coordinates>-0.747945,51.275855</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>-0.747945</longitude><latitude>51.275855</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>South Farnborough Station</name><Point><coordinates>-0.755726,51.296605</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>-0.755726</longitude><latitude>51.296605</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Port of Southampton</name><Point><coordinates>-1.419944,50.891219</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>-1.419944</longitude><latitude>50.891219</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Le Havre</name><Point><coordinates>0.114084,49.484201</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>0.114084</longitude><latitude>49.484201</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Rouen</name><Point><coordinates>1.056068,49.44132</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>1.056068</longitude><latitude>49.44132</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Gare de Saint-Denis</name><Point><coordinates>2.350234,48.94386</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.350234</longitude><latitude>48.94386</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Amiens Railway Station</name><Point><coordinates>2.30982,49.88993</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.30982</longitude><latitude>49.88993</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Cambrai Railway Station</name><Point><coordinates>3.24129,50.177</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.24129</longitude><latitude>50.177</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Le Nouvion</name><Point><coordinates>3.785,50.01722</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.785</longitude><latitude>50.01722</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Esquéhéries</name><Point><coordinates>3.74639,49.98389</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.74639</longitude><latitude>49.98389</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>La Fontaine</name><Point><coordinates>3.51667,50.63333</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.51667</longitude><latitude>50.63333</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Maubeuge Railway Station</name><Point><coordinates>3.96634,50.27251</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.96634</longitude><latitude>50.27251</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Villers-sire-Nicole</name><Point><coordinates>4.01379,50.33911</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>4.01379</longitude><latitude>50.33911</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Givry</name><Point><coordinates>4.53694,49.48927</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>4.53694</longitude><latitude>49.48927</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Havay</name><Point><coordinates>3.98366,50.36118</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.98366</longitude><latitude>50.36118</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Fiegnies (Feignies)</name><Point><coordinates>3.876752,50.29107</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.876752</longitude><latitude>50.29107</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Guise</name><Point><coordinates>3.552745,49.897202</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.552745</longitude><latitude>49.897202</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Soissons Railway Station</name><Point><coordinates>3.33833,49.36917</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.33833</longitude><latitude>49.36917</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Villers-Cotterêts</name><Point><coordinates>3.035657,49.220175</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.035657</longitude><latitude>49.220175</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Priez</name><Point><coordinates>3.252743,49.130824</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.252743</longitude><latitude>49.130824</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Moulin</name><Point><coordinates>3.56667,50.71667</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.56667</longitude><latitude>50.71667</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Vendresse</name><Point><coordinates>3.66722,49.42722</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.66722</longitude><latitude>49.42722</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Troyon</name><Point><coordinates>4.932444,48.999014</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>4.932444</longitude><latitude>48.999014</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Cerny-en-Laonnois</name><Point><coordinates>3.66778,49.44333</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.66778</longitude><latitude>49.44333</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Paissy</name><Point><coordinates>3.681886,49.425554</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.681886</longitude><latitude>49.425554</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Fismes</name><Point><coordinates>3.667431,49.312549</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.667431</longitude><latitude>49.312549</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Gare de Saint-Denis</name><Point><coordinates>2.350234,48.94386</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.350234</longitude><latitude>48.94386</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Amiens Railway Station</name><Point><coordinates>2.30982,49.88993</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.30982</longitude><latitude>49.88993</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Abbeville</name><Point><coordinates>1.817628,50.10023</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>1.817628</longitude><latitude>50.10023</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Gare de Boulogne</name><Point><coordinates>1.607844,50.714156</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>1.607844</longitude><latitude>50.714156</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Gare de Calais Ville</name><Point><coordinates>1.846983,50.949521</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>1.846983</longitude><latitude>50.949521</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Cassels</name><Point><coordinates>2.481074,50.794556</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.481074</longitude><latitude>50.794556</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Steenvorde</name><Point><coordinates>2.58244,50.81046</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.58244</longitude><latitude>50.81046</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Poperinghe</name><Point><coordinates>2.6875,50.85488</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.6875</longitude><latitude>50.85488</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Boesinghe</name><Point><coordinates>2.854583,50.89568</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.854583</longitude><latitude>50.89568</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Pilckem</name><Point><coordinates>2.88562,50.89979</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.88562</longitude><latitude>50.89979</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Bixchoote (Bikschote)</name><Point><coordinates>2.86479,50.92557</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.86479</longitude><latitude>50.92557</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Ypres</name><Point><coordinates>2.86733,50.85704</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.86733</longitude><latitude>50.85704</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Hooge</name><Point><coordinates>2.92377,50.83747</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.92377</longitude><latitude>50.83747</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Veldhoek</name><Point><coordinates>3.36023,51.1944</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.36023</longitude><latitude>51.1944</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Polygon Wood (near)</name><Point><coordinates>2.98333,50.85</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.98333</longitude><latitude>50.85</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Guluveldt [Geluveld]</name><Point><coordinates>2.99343,50.83511</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.99343</longitude><latitude>50.83511</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Veldhoek</name><Point><coordinates>3.36023,51.1944</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>3.36023</longitude><latitude>51.1944</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Vlamatinghe</name><Point><coordinates>2.82024,50.85485</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.82024</longitude><latitude>50.85485</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
<Placemark><name>Westouter, Heuvelland Belgium</name><Point><coordinates>2.737682,50.797161</coordinates></Point><LookAt><longitude>2.737682</longitude><latitude>50.797161</latitude><altitude>40000</altitude><heading>0</heading><tilt>0</tilt><altitudeMode>absolute</altitudeMode></LookAt></Placemark>
  </Document>
</kml>

 

 

 

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Once you've cracked this, most of us use an editor that makes it visually easy (or use Excel's concatenate feature).  I use Notepad++ a lot as it colours the syntax I need for KML.

 

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Hi my name's Ash, im 42 from north wales in the uk.  I'm interested in the first world war and I want to learn about it.   I'm reading a diary of a 2nd lieutenant and the battalion he serve in from Southampton to mons to ypres.   I make notes as i read as i want to learn what they did and here they went.   I want to add images of South Farnborough station where they left for, Southampton station where they detrained to images of forts around maubeuge in france and the various villages they marched through.  Adding images would help me visualize where they were and what they saw but i can't find any images of the battalion marching in villages or passing the fortresses, or that campsite in Le Havre.   Could you help me find these images or tell me how to find them?   I've googled Le Nouvion 1914 and it shows the village but not the soldiers marching through.   I cant find the forts near maubeuge neither.

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Which unit was he in? What were the names of the villages he passed through?

You mention Le Nouvion - full name Le Nouvion en Thiérache. Boué is a couple of kilometres away and was a major de-training point for the BEF. Several units came direct from Le Havre to Boué before heading north to Mons. The station is still standing. Maubeuge was a major fort for the French army and it was ringed with smaller forts and defensive positions. It fell to the Germans early in the war with the loss of 50,000 prisoners.

For visual images try the Delcampe website. This is a platform for buying and selling historic postcards. Feed in the place names. You can find it on www.delcampe.net.

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Hedley, what a great suggestion - I use Delcampe all the time and had forgotten to post it.  Currently they have 54 million postcards for sale.  Ash has the list of every town from another thread.  I just looked at the listings for Aldershot and found many WW1 era of the town and of battalions parading, such as this one.  This postcard is for sale and it was sourced from https://www.delcampe.net/en_US/collectibles/postcards/united-kingdom-england/other-8/militaria-defile-militaire-eglise-all-saints-church-aldershot-mrs-r-hughes-stationer-fancy-goods-depot-aldershot-1043418910.html.

 

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The original list of place names contains some typos which may complicate searches. Mabaix should be Marbaix; Le Grand Lafayette should be Le Grand Fayt; Havay should be Bavay.

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6 minutes ago, Hedley Malloch said:

place names contains some typos

That's why I couldn't locate some of them!  I transcribed them all from the original account and the errors would have been either my typing or his recollection of where they were, under very trying circumstances and written down at a later date.

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I had a feeling there'd be typos, aah ok that makes things a little easier, thanks.   For the searching of images using Delcampe, where do i find the photos from 1914? Do i need to register?

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Hi Ash, Delcampe is a commercial site that sells and auctions postcards and other collectibles.  There is no way I am aware of that you sort by date, but if you browse a location, there tend to be more older postcards than modern.  Just go back there every so often and you will be rewarded by finding a particular regiment or location from that date.

 

I have identified quite a few of my grandfather's photos via Delcampe.

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Does this look ok?  I have searched the up to date names of those villages but Le Grand Fayette now is Le Grand Fayt, it's come up with Grand Fayt which is just south of Marbaix.

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3 hours ago, Alecras234 said:

I had a feeling there'd be typos, aah ok that makes things a little easier, thanks.   For the searching of images using Delcampe, where do i find the photos from 1914? Do i need to register?

 

There is a search facility on the home page. Select post cards and type in the village or town name and add WW1 and/or Allemande. For Guise type Guise Aisne, otherwise you will get allsorts. You will only need to register if you decide to buy something. I will check the rest of your names and come back to you.

 

Marbaix: your regiment had a run-in with the Germans here on or about 25/26 August. On of their number, Robert Penniket, was lost behind the lines and was taken in by a French family near Maroilles, who hid him in a hen-coop for five months. He eventually escaped via Bellignies Château and the Nurse Cavell house in Mons. He was returned to duty to work in an Entrenching Batallion, but his nerves were shot, unhinged by his nights spent with the chickens. He was eventually invalided out, but he would return to the area to spend his summer holidays with the family who sheltered him.

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so where do i find the names of these french places from what they were called in my book and what they're called now so i can add them on my map?   I will have a look at ww1 postcards, thanks.  I've added Le Grand Fayette which is in my book and on google maps it's put Grand Fayt which is south not far fro marbaix.

 

Ash  

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14 hours ago, Hedley Malloch said:

Mabaix should be Marbaix; Le Grand Lafayette should be Le Grand Fayt; Havay should be Bavay.

 

Ash, your other thread gave you the latitude and longiutude for every town mentioned in the account, with the exception of 6.  Hedley has corrected Bavay and Marbaix so that only leaves:

 

Avense,

Bourg,

Collomiers and

St Jean.

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I would suggest  Avesnes sur Helpe , Coulommiers and Bourg et Comin

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I have merged these two threads, "just an idea" and "making notes"  to avoid repetition of answers.

Michelle 

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On 27/07/2020 at 06:45, Alecras234 said:

Hi im reading a soldiers diary which im finding very interesting,   it follows James Hyndson of  the 1st Battalion the loyal north lancashire regiment from their barracks near Aldershot to Mons and then to the first battle of ypres.    

I guess you're talking about this one???  

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From your enthusiasm in plotting his movements, I take it the book is any good??? 

Thinking about loading it on my Kindl, but I have sooooo many books in waiting right now... 

 

M.

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