green_acorn Posted 29 July , 2020 Share Posted 29 July , 2020 Not being entirely familiar with the British graphic magazine market of the early 20th Century, can any Pal educate this antipodean on the titles? I find magazines like the Illustrated War News an excellent resource for images, and given the articles and caption the context of the time. Cheers, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRANVILLE Posted 30 July , 2020 Share Posted 30 July , 2020 There are various publications out there. Oddly enough, just yesterday, I that thumbing through some of my own books, which include copies of Hammerton's World War 14-18, A Pictured History, which I can recommend. I think it was in the first volume that I turned up a truly superb artists sketch of a dismounted soldier giving his horse some sort of Christmas treat from his haversack; the artwork of many of the sketch artists of the time was exceptional and I think often overlooked. Hammerton as an editor was prolific in his work, and there is his course the collosal work of 'The War Illustrated, the complete record of.....' Then you have the equally massive work by H.W. Wilson; 'The Great War, the Standard History of....' A personal favourite is again overseen by Hammerton: 'I Was There!' Others to consider are such as The War Budget and the Penny War Weekly, but there are more besides. You have to keep in mind that most of these were published at the time with the intention of letting the country know what was going on but more so to keep moral and indirectly recruitment up. Heavy censorship meant that it was soon extremely hard to get to 'the front', let alone report on or even photograph once you got there. Because of this, much of these works tend to be dismissed as little more than jingoistic propaganda. If it is read with this in mind it tends to help. They are all nevertheless, publications of their time and well worth tracking down. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 30 July , 2020 Share Posted 30 July , 2020 Some are available online and are linked from the FIBIS Fibiwiki page First World War, section Historical books online/History series and periodical publications https://wiki.fibis.org/w/First_World_War#History_series_and_periodical_publications Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRANVILLE Posted 30 July , 2020 Share Posted 30 July , 2020 17 minutes ago, Maureene said: Some are available online and are linked from the FIBIS Fibiwiki page First World War, section Historical books online/History series and periodical publications https://wiki.fibis.org/w/First_World_War#History_series_and_periodical_publications Cheers Maureen A great link Maureen. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 30 July , 2020 Share Posted 30 July , 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, green_acorn said: Not being entirely familiar with the British graphic magazine market of the early 20th Century, can any Pal educate this antipodean on the titles? I find magazines like the Illustrated War News an excellent resource for images, and given the articles and caption the context of the time. Cheers, Chris One of the most famous was ‘The War Illustrated’ magazine and published in London by William Berry (later Viscount Camrose and owner of The Daily Telegraph). It was first released on 22 August 1914, eighteen days after the United Kingdom declared war on Germany, and regular issues continued throughout the war. The magazine ceased publication after the 8 February 1919 issue. I had the entire series, which had been bound in book form donated to me by my grandfather. I can recall that it was full of artwork images that emanated fierce action and dramatic circumstances, in addition to photographs. Edited 30 July , 2020 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_acorn Posted 30 July , 2020 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2020 4 hours ago, GRANVILLE said: "... You have to keep in mind that most of these were published at the time with the intention of letting the country know what was going on but more so to keep moral and indirectly recruitment up. Heavy censorship meant that it was soon extremely hard to get to 'the front', let alone report on or even photograph once you got there. Because of this, much of these works tend to be dismissed as little more than jingoistic propaganda. If it is read with this in mind it tends to help. They are all nevertheless, publications of their time and well worth tracking down. David David, Exactly. Though we reevaluate and reinterpret history all the time as new evidence becomes available and to the standards of our own period, we often find that "our" understanding may be based quicksand because of the issues you describe. Magazines like these put the events in the popular context of the time, and therefore are still useful. Cheers, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedley Malloch Posted 30 July , 2020 Share Posted 30 July , 2020 50 minutes ago, green_acorn said: David, Exactly. Though we reevaluate and reinterpret history all the time as new evidence becomes available and to the standards of our own period, we often find that "our" understanding may be based quicksand because of the issues you describe. Magazines like these put the events in the popular context of the time, and therefore are still useful. Cheers, Chris There are multiple sets of standards used to evaluate WW1and not just one. How would you distinguish between standards based on 'quicksand' and those standing on firmer foundations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 30 July , 2020 Share Posted 30 July , 2020 Here is another example - this issue dated Oct 31, 1914. Best....Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 30 July , 2020 Share Posted 30 July , 2020 Another magazine...same date.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stripeyman Posted 30 July , 2020 Share Posted 30 July , 2020 I have some of the The War Illustrated magazines if anyone is interested in obtaining them. Just PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_acorn Posted 30 July , 2020 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2020 4 hours ago, Hedley Malloch said: There are multiple sets of standards used to evaluate WW1and not just one. How would you distinguish between standards based on 'quicksand' and those standing on firmer foundations? Very briefly and not conclusively. Access to as broad a range of primary, and secondary, sources as possible. How close to the event was the source material written, the records of the opponent, etcetera. Rather than the "quicksand" of something written from one perspective a long time after the event, based on memory, or primarily so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedley Malloch Posted 30 July , 2020 Share Posted 30 July , 2020 1 hour ago, green_acorn said: Very briefly and not conclusively. Access to as broad a range of primary, and secondary, sources as possible. How close to the event was the source material written, the records of the opponent, etcetera. Rather than the "quicksand" of something written from one perspective a long time after the event, based on memory, or primarily so. OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depaor01 Posted 9 August , 2020 Share Posted 9 August , 2020 (edited) On 30/07/2020 at 12:37, RNCVR said: Here is another example - this issue dated Oct 31, 1914. Best....Bryan Hi Bryan, What are the dimensions and page count of these please? I'm looking to acquire and digitise similar for a library. Thanks, Dave Edited 9 August , 2020 by depaor01 Name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharkin56 Posted 9 August , 2020 Share Posted 9 August , 2020 LOok on ebay you can but digitised magazines for less than a fiver https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/large-WW1-PDF-Collection-News-Illustrated-Pictorial-World-War-One-5-DISKS-BOH/261518402715?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item3ce3b6249b:g:dREAAOSw91NTrykk&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACcBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%2Fn%2BzU5L90Z278x5ickkXKoKcbeZcOrOku%2BoOBl%2BS9KVnUZaMM20OL4O7GkQhIAKTN7%2FCviC32BOuWBhZnr%2FbvawXTGeY0CBZ2uw6%2BPwkqQT%2Foqr0jv43kjdbjz9g%2FKck%2BUNywOHMKX%2BZE3%2BisPtxmSSOW5Q5QJcAgn%2F3jKAMosCNPp524pLbvJdSw55NFEp6PFPdTha7REhoSUlnPCLkLTLEbQv%2BuP7G7NxJvI8d2X4his66Of5bJX4Jvlt97puHK6j%2B%2FLnd2NcFiDwo7lnyeQHtIbF3oY5t2e26jymQv%2FiOEKEaO2T04jVNU3XPmjxQNQW0yZIgAS2xLUs1KuETO6DkGodZEMsxI3enl%2BYna%2BzUedOV6ZwD6VwszwiONZAMakz1IZK7kAk89vPwoFvARK4WPRvMz1ZNsRumKYkGOBkDP47v1Rztv2FCkQ1cZCG60YI1EHmCX74ULC3twfFUjQxlFjwmgYY6%2FOYu3vP0e8nUTcLxuXCtISRm623nsGSKUQvx9GBlzrNdiad2wWtHwieUyfELzONARzzCIr1dIGN1hD7z%2FkSsctcz8tzU0hJxiBHbUjiRqDFpoOga2q1NaLy9jOKnUkr4oyjd27oYCYlzEOkgfQQE8gV3zX5p0%2BHyYf1crAxb6JuBPdS%2F0l%2BHATmFPE%2BY40XfjivlL1N5nrYpe6h%2BrOm%2BfQqezYuAapOGmp48ODTptujfo61x9Gh%2BZ%2BHCSg10FgjKGAKMlTYLxJs%2B%2Bjf4FVoEAWsBSY24hp7mSStRcw38PCimC0H0ULBxGiaPXzu9TGJJaiAamW7iw%3D%3D|cksum%3A2615184027156b9a15d6c2654299a7a90c672fa57804|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2334524 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 9 August , 2020 Share Posted 9 August , 2020 2 hours ago, depaor01 said: Hi Bryan, What are the dimensions and page count of these please? I'm looking to acquire and digitise similar for a library. Thanks, Dave Hello Dave, Illustrated London News are both large & heavy! 11 1\2 x 16 inches, 16 pages. I only have 3 early in War issues & they are for sale as Iam selling my collection, but post to UK ex Canada would be very expensive for magazines this large. Best.....Bryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 9 August , 2020 Share Posted 9 August , 2020 Illustrated London News is available on the pay websites British Newspaper Archive, and on Findmypast, but from the description only if you have a personal subscription. https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/titles/illustrated-london-news Some Libraries also may have access through a Library subscription website from Gale Primary Sources/ Gale Historical Newspapers https://www.gale.com/intl/c/illustrated-london-news-historical-archive. Depending on the Library you may even be able to access the database on your home computer. Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depaor01 Posted 10 August , 2020 Share Posted 10 August , 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, RNCVR said: Hello Dave, Illustrated London News are both large & heavy! 11 1\2 x 16 inches, 16 pages. I only have 3 early in War issues & they are for sale as Iam selling my collection, but post to UK ex Canada would be very expensive for magazines this large. Best.....Bryan Thanks for that Bryan. Dave Edited 10 August , 2020 by depaor01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depaor01 Posted 10 August , 2020 Share Posted 10 August , 2020 8 hours ago, Maureene said: Illustrated London News is available on the pay websites British Newspaper Archive, and on Findmypast, but from the description only if you have a personal subscription. https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/titles/illustrated-london-news Some Libraries also may have access through a Library subscription website from Gale Primary Sources/ Gale Historical Newspapers https://www.gale.com/intl/c/illustrated-london-news-historical-archive. Depending on the Library you may even be able to access the database on your home computer. Cheers Maureen Wow. I had no idea the full run was online. Our library subscribes to Gale for some newspapers but not the ILN. The sample pages look great. Thanks Maureen, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 10 August , 2020 Share Posted 10 August , 2020 Flight Magazine was first published in 1909 and I have a small hoard of them covering the WW1 period. It reported Royal Flying Corps and Royal Air Force deaths and much more about the aircraft of the time. I see that there is/was a website that had the early issues on line but the site is undergoing maintenance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 10 August , 2020 Share Posted 10 August , 2020 1 hour ago, Jim Strawbridge said: Flight Magazine was first published in 1909 and I have a small hoard of them covering the WW1 period. It reported Royal Flying Corps and Royal Air Force deaths and much more about the aircraft of the time. I see that there is/was a website that had the early issues on line but the site is undergoing maintenance. Was one of my go to sites, but as far as I can remember that part of the Flight website has been down since before Christmas, pending a relaunch. I believe the same company put out another publication "The Aeroplane". There are some sample issues online like this one heralding the dawn of the RAF in April 1918, unfortunately transcribed by software so on a par with the British Newspaper Archive and The London Gazette. https://archive.org/stream/aeroplan141918lond/aeroplan141918lond_djvu.txt There was a website from the owners of the Illustrated London News which also included contemporary copies of sister publications like The Tatler. Thet site were adding copies on a weekly basis 100 years after the original publication as part of the centenial commemoration, but ran out of steam early in 2015. Now the website just gives you a blank screen. https://www.illustratedfirstworldwar.com/ Even gossip magazine like The Tatler provided a potential mine of information and photographs - who was getting engaged to who with a picture becomes more relevant when said officer didn't live long enough to marry, while officer VC winners who were single and in London to receive their medal seemed to be on the invite list for every party. There was also a sporting title, I think it was Sporting Life, that had pictures of jockeys, boxers, cricketers and footballers, etc, who had volunteered or had been mobilised. There are however summaries available of the contents of each edition of the Illustrated London News and the odd illustrated page here https://www.iln.org.uk/ Hope some of that helps, Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 10 August , 2020 Share Posted 10 August , 2020 1 hour ago, PRC said: https://archive.org/stream/aeroplan141918lond/aeroplan141918lond_djvu.txt If you click on this link, and then click on "See other formats", you get https://archive.org/details/aeroplan141918lond/page/n5/mode/2up which is easier to read. There is a collection of Flight Magazine on Archive.org https://archive.org/details/Flight_International_Magazine?sort=titleSorter The issues available appear to be either complete, or near complete for the WW1 period as they include 1919 52 issues 1918 52 1917 52 1916 54 1915 52 1914 52 Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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