Ottoman 25th Div at Gallipoli?

[stevenbecker]

Mates,

 

I was reading a Turkish site which included a unit of the 25th Div

 

Erickson records (page176) that the (17th Corps) 15th and 25th Div's moved to Gallipoli around 17 Aug 1915 arrived around four days later.

 

He later said (page 182) it was in the 14th Corps with the 42nd Div around Jan 1916

 

He does not list any Regts or commanders of the 25th Div in the Annexes?

 

The Turkish site mentions only one officer at Gallipoli 

 

Maj Arif CO 75th Regt at Gallipoli 1915
 

I already had this officer;

 

Maj Arsf Bey   as  CO 75th Regt at Gallipoli 1915

 

they are possibly the same man

 

The Commanding officers of the;

73rd Regt and

74th Regt

 

are not shown at Gallipoli in this lists

 

for a more detailed lists see this account

 

ÇANAKKALE MUHAREBELERİ’NİN VE KOMUTA KADROSUNUN TÜRK KURTULUŞ SAVAŞINA ETKİLERİ

26 Mart 2018 MAKALELER

ÇANAKKALE MUHAREBELERİ’NİN VE KOMUTA KADROSUNUN TÜRK KURTULUŞ SAVAŞINA ETKİLERİ

Yrd. Doç. Dr. İsmet GÖRGÜLÜ

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GİRİŞ

            Birinci Dünya Savaşı’nda Türk ordusunun çarpıştığı 11 cepheden biri olan Çanakkale Cephesi, süre itibariyle en kısası olmasına rağmen Türk’e etkileri, kazandırdıkları itibariyle en önemlisidir

 

Enjoy

 

Cheers

 

S.B

Edited 20 July , 2020 by stevebecker

[emrezmen]

According to Turkish OH (vol 3, p. 462), both 15th and 25th Divisions arrived at Saros on 29 August:

 

The OH provides no further details about the 25th Div's activities. However, it is known that 75th Regiment had been sent to Achi Baba Nullah (Kanlidere) sector at Seddülbahir and attached to 15th Division. Some of the casualties of the regiment between 30 November 1915 (17/10/1331) and 6 January 1916 (24/10/1331):

 

According to 2012 edition of Turkish OH (vol 1, appendix 1), the CO of the 25th Div was Lt-Col. Ali Fuat Cebesoy (1882-1968).

 

I can confirm that the CO/75th Regt was Major Arif. I need to make a comprehensive research for other regiments.

 

 

 

Edited 23 July , 2020 by emrezmen

[Guest]

Emrezmen,

 

Thanks for checking.

 

Yes I find no mention of the other two Regts of the 25th Div in the fighting?

 

I shown these commanders of the 75th Regt

 

Aladin Bey    CO 75th Regt at Gallipoli 1915    Maj
Arif or Arsf Bey    CO 75th Regt at Gallipoli 1915    Maj
Faik Bey     CO 75th Regt 1918    Maj
Mustapha Efendi    75th Regt - OC 3Bn 1918    Capt
Ömer Fevzi Bey    CO 75th Regt 1914-15 at Gallipoli 1915    Maj
 

The other regts I show;

 

74th Regt

 

Adel Efendi    74th Regt - ?Bn - Co    Capt        
Ahmad Al Qubaisi    74th Regt - ?Bn -     Maj        Arab/Syrian officer
Asa'ad or Essat Bey    CO 74th Regt - 1915 at Gallipoli     Maj        
Fahrettin bey    CO 74th Regt 1914-15 at Gallipoli     Maj        
Halim efendi    74th Regt - ?Bn - Co    Capt        
Mehmet Fuat Efendi     74th Regt - 3Bn -12Co    Lt    KIA    
Muhammad Efendi    74th Regt - ?Bn - Co    Capt        
Orhan Efendi    74th Regt - ?Bn - Co    Lt to Capt        
Sarwat Bey    CO 74th Regt at Gallipoli 1915-16    Maj?        
 

73rd Regt

 

Ali Vehbi     73rd Regt - 2Bn     Maj?
Husnu or Husni Bey    73rd Regt - OC 1Bn -     Maj
Ismet Efendi    73rd Regt - 2Bn - ? Co -     Capt
Mehmet Resit or Reshid Bey    CO 73rd Regt 1914-15 at Gallipoli     Maj
Servet Bey    CO 73rd Regt at Gallipoli 1915    Maj
 

Most of the names come from records of its use in the Suez Campaign of Jan - Feb 1915

 

25th (Arab) Division (Damascus) or (Halilurrahman)  

 

14th Corps -1914 to 17th Corps- Seros Bay Gallipoli 8-15 - 6th Corps - Romania 10-16 to 8th Corps (4th Army) April 1918 shown Sept 1918 Allied reports shown 2nd Corps Sept 1918    

 

Commanders Col Hilmi Bey 1914 -    LtCol Ali Fuat (Cebesoy) 1-15 -     Col Sükrü Ali Bey 9-16  shown Oct 1918 Allied reports LtCol Chukri 9-18    

 

CofS - shown Maj Severt 1914 to Maj Mustafa Izzet 1915/16 - Staff Capts- Mehmet Ihsan Efendi (Hun) (CofS 1916/17) and Esad Maliki Bey 

 

Garrison Damascus 1914 -  shown at Gallipoli 8-15 with 75th Regt sent to 15th Div at Helles - shown 73rd Regt (3xBns) 75th Regt (3xBns) 74th Regt (4xBns) 1-16 - shown (25th Div with Bulgarian Cav Div & 6th Div captured Amuzaca Transylvania 24-9-16 heavy losses to 74th & 75th Regts other accounts show 59th Regt (26th Div) not 73rd Regt with Div? mentioned that the 59th Regt replaced 73rd Regt because it was arab (around 3000 casualties in Div) captured Dobruja 1-10-16 and Gobadin 19-10-16 with 15th Div - shown Feb 1917 Allied reports - 59th Regt (26th Div) 74th Regt 75th Regt - 74th Regt disbanded 1Bn to 3/58th Regt between May to Aug 1918 2Bn to 17th Regt and 3Bn to 26th Div in June 1918 - 75th Regt & 73rd Regt to 62nd Div May to June 1918 - shown May 1918 Allied reports - 74th Regt 75th Regt (1800 men 100 cav 36 MG's) - shown June 1918 Allied reports 74th Regt 75th Regt (1800 men 100 cav 48 MG's) less 73rd Regt (900 men 18 MGs) att 8th Army Troops) reported in document 1Bn&2Bn/74th Regt (1450 men 12 MGs) - 
 

25th Artillery Regt - Maj Mehmet Ali 1914/15 to 24th Artillery Regt - LtCol Lehmann Bey (G) also spelled Leman 8-16 to 12-17

(att Ali Haidar Bey 39th Artillery Regt for Canal invasion 1915) or shown Suez invasion 2-15 shown 2xBtys at Gallipoli 1-16 - 1Bn/25th FAR 8x 75mm guns 2Bn/25th FAR 8x 75mm Mountain guns - 3/25 & 4/25th Bty's from 2x Mountain Btys 24th Artillery Regt two (4 x 77mm QF) date unknown?

 

1st Sqn 29th Cav Regt 

 

Cheers

 

S.B

Edited 24 July , 2020 by stevebecker