Coldstreamer Posted 6 June , 2020 Share Posted 6 June , 2020 Hello On this MIC the rank is clearly shown as Lt Col but apparently the medals are to Major Could someone tell me why the difference in rank as all the medal I have for ww1 match the MICs Perhaps the medal roll itself will confirm - the roll I have is missing him (typically) cheers Ian copy courtesy Ancestry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 6 June , 2020 Share Posted 6 June , 2020 Strange. I thought that what was denoted on the card by the symbol, was engraved on the medals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 6 June , 2020 Share Posted 6 June , 2020 Major on medal roll Image courtesy of Ancestry Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 6 June , 2020 Share Posted 6 June , 2020 The Red Feathers (Quick March) composed by John Mackenzie Rogan Played by The Band of the Coldstream Guards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 6 June , 2020 Share Posted 6 June , 2020 15 minutes ago, RaySearching said: Major on medal roll Image courtesy of Ancestry Ray That looks like a menu for a great Saturday Night out, a Whitbread followed by a Rogan, OK the Horlicks should be last... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 6 June , 2020 Share Posted 6 June , 2020 He was a major in Nov 1919 so did he become a Lt Col only after the cut off date for the medal entitlement ? https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31659/supplement/14641/data.pdf Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 6 June , 2020 Share Posted 6 June , 2020 Major would have been the highest rank he held whilst in a theatre of war, which is what is supposed to be engraved on the BWM and VM. This may be of interest. http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk/new_music/10.shtml Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEW Posted 6 June , 2020 Share Posted 6 June , 2020 So, Lt. Col. Rogan applied for his medals by post when he held that rank I guess? Thought MICs were created from the rolls which says Major. Or is it possible with officers the MIC was created from his application. The X is a normal X, not the dotted X normally seen. Is this just a way of saying look at the roll for rank? TEW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 6 June , 2020 Share Posted 6 June , 2020 1 minute ago, TEW said: The X is a normal X, not the dotted X normally seen. Is this just a way of saying look at the roll for rank? TEW well spotted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wexflyer Posted 7 June , 2020 Share Posted 7 June , 2020 Could the rank discrepancy be associated with the "double rank system" which existed in guards regiments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 7 June , 2020 Author Share Posted 7 June , 2020 Thanks. I enquired as his medals sold recently and I was puzzled by the rank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel Posted 8 June , 2020 Share Posted 8 June , 2020 Bond of Friendship is one of his better known marches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 8 June , 2020 Share Posted 8 June , 2020 (edited) On 06/06/2020 at 17:45, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: That looks like a menu for a great Saturday Night out, a Whitbread followed by a Rogan, OK the Horlicks should be last... And Tollemache are/were a big brewing family in East Anglia. Wasn’t there a Tolly’s beer? In the 1880s some of John Tollemache's sons started a brewery in Suffolk, which merged in 1957 to become the Tolly Cobboldbrewery.[5] Several pubs called the Tollemache Arms are located in and near the family's estates including at Alpraham, Tarporley, Mossley, Ashton-under-Lyne, Buckminster and Harrington. Edited 8 June , 2020 by PhilB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 8 June , 2020 Share Posted 8 June , 2020 Is that where Tolly Cobbold originated? Well well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 8 June , 2020 Share Posted 8 June , 2020 Tolly 4X was a jolly good pint, back in the day. I met the future Mrs Broomfield in a Tolly pub (The Duke of Argyle) in Cambridge. It's now a block of flats. The Cobbold family, for many years, owned Ipswich Town FC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 8 June , 2020 Share Posted 8 June , 2020 Looks like we have a full house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 8 June , 2020 Share Posted 8 June , 2020 (edited) Remind me again who this regiment was? 1st Royal (Camra) Maltsters Garrison Bn. ? 1 hour ago, RaySearching said: Looks like we have a full house Edited 8 June , 2020 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 8 June , 2020 Share Posted 8 June , 2020 On 06/06/2020 at 14:01, Coldstreamer said: Hello On this MIC the rank is clearly shown as Lt Col but apparently the medals are to Major Could someone tell me why the difference in rank as all the medal I have for ww1 match the MICs Perhaps the medal roll itself will confirm - the roll I have is missing him (typically) cheers Ian copy courtesy Ancestry Ian I have a substantial amount of information about John MacKenzie-Rogan including his autobiography and his record from TNA.You will probably know, he was commissioned from the ranks on 7.2.1904 and became Director of Music Coldstream Guards as Captain on 6 June 1904. He was promoted Major 1.7.17 and Lt Colonel 10.3.1920 which explains why his medals are in the rank of Major. TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldstreamer Posted 12 June , 2020 Author Share Posted 12 June , 2020 thanks Terry I was sure I read he was Lt Col before the war, must check my source again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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