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Kevin Tobin

Thank you for reading this.

 

I am trying to identify one of my wife's relatives. We know he did not join up until 1918 and do not know how long for. His name is Albert Oscar Greenall. (Alternatively Oscar Albert.) He was from London. Born 1897. 

 

On examining the photographs below my eagle eyed son thinks the badge may be Dragoon Guards? He also thinks that there is DG on the shoulders of one of the others?

 

I have tried Ancestry and Find My Past.

 

Thank you again.

 

 

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The Inspector

Hi Kevin,

Just so I am checking the right person:-

Albert Oscar b.3.6.1897 m Elsie Edith Rice, 1929. He died March, 1977.

I presume you have the photo of the Rice family? EDIT..Yes you have, private tree.

Regards Barry

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RaySearching

medal ribbons and collar dogs indicate the photos are post ww1

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Dai Bach y Sowldiwr
5 hours ago, RaySearching said:

medal ribbons and collar dogs indicate the photos are post ww1

And one man with right sided lanyard  and no puttees.

A decent sized scan would help.

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wainfleet
43 minutes ago, RaySearching said:

medal ribbons and collar dogs indicate the photos are post ww1

 

Not necessarily. It was common for cavalry units to wear collar badges during the war, and the Star and MM do not have to be postwar.

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Michelle Young

There are overseas chevrons and a wound stripe on display. 

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The Inspector

Hi Kevin,

As Dai has posted, a decent size scan if possible...cap badge?

Regards Barry

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FROGSMILE

They are 3rd (Prince of Wales’s) Dragoon Guards I think.  Probably taken late in 1918 or early in 1919.  Unlike infantry the cavalry commonly wore collar badges and regimental buttons too, although they sometimes took the former out when taking a turn in trenches as they occasionally did. 

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Kevin Tobin

Thank you all. I will try a better scan..

 

I think you are right from these pictures?

 

Next question why can't I find him on Ancestry or FMP?

 

Thanks

 

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FROGSMILE

There was another cavalry regiment whose cap and collar insignia looked almost identical from a distance and that was the 10th Royal Hussars.  However, they did have a different and distinctive shoulder title that helps us to differentiate: X.RH 

Upon scrutiny, I think that the original assessment of 3rd DG is correct on the basis of the shoulder title.

Incidentally, there were also four TF Yeomanry cavalry regiments with a very similar cap badge (and sometimes collar badge too).  The shoulder title is the key identifier.

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Kevin Tobin

Thank you.

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Dai Bach y Sowldiwr

Yes, I'm sure the shoulder title says........DG.

Not sure what the first character is though.

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Dai Bach y Sowldiwr
1 hour ago, Kevin Tobin said:

Next question why can't I find him on Ancestry or FMP?

Maybe he had no overseas service before the armistice, so no medals, so no MIC or Rolls entry?

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CorporalPunishment

I notice some of the group appear to be from the 6th Dragoon Guards.  Pete.

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FROGSMILE
8 hours ago, CorporalPunishment said:

I notice some of the group appear to be from the 6th Dragoon Guards.  Pete.


Yes Pete, my guess is that the photo was perhaps taken at the Reserve Cavalry Regiment that serviced those regiments of Dragoon Guards.  It was the 3rd Reserve Cavalry Regiment, at the Cavalry Barracks, Canterbury in Kent.  The 3rd and 6th DG were the only regulars there, the rest were Yeomanry.

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Kevin Tobin

Thank you to everyone who has replied. As usual a wealth of information. My wife sends her thanks.

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